FidoNews · Vol 30, No 49 · 09 Dec 2013
The F I D O N E W S Volume 30, Number 49 09 Dec 2013
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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. EDITORIAL ................................................ 2
3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3
Why a vote cast is a vote cast ........................... 3
Ruling on the protests in the FTSC election .............. 17
4. FTSC INFORMATION ......................................... 20
2013 standing member election final result ............... 20
5. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 25
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 25
6. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 26
FidoNet Software References .............................. 26
7. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 31
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 31
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 33
How to Submit an Article ................................. 33
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 35
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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The best way to take control over a people
and control them utterly
is to take a little of their freedom at a time,
to erode rights by a thousand tiny
and almost imperceptible reductions.
In this way, the people will not see those rights
and freedoms being removed until past the point
at which these changes cannot be reversed.
-- Adolf Hitler
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EDITORIAL
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Talk of the fido town the last month has been what really should be
just a formality. The yearly FTSC election.
Unfortunately a few people managed to change this formality into a
political soap opera.
This, of course, has caused a lot of extra work and time upon the
election coordinator. Work and time that he could have spent on much
more fruitful projects.
I guess nobody will thank Michiel for all the time he's spent on
Fidonet in general and the FTSC in particular, so here's one official
gratitude from the Fidonews editor:
Thank you Michiel for all that you are doing for our network, and may
you never be discouraged by the trolls that over and over again try
to throw wrenches into the machinery that you are spending so much
time and effort into assisting.
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GENERAL ARTICLES
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Why a vote cast is a vote cast.
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555
In the 2010 FSTC election Björn Felten requested that
he be allowed to correct his already cast vote. The
EC responded with "let me sleep on it". This is a
summary of the storm of protest that followed. Read
and judge for yourself...
==== begin ====
== 38937 ================================================
Date : 16 Nov 10 18:22:54
From : Ross Cassell 1:123/456
To : Michiel van der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hello Michiel!
16 Nov 10 22:36, you wrote to Björn Felten:
MV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules
MV> for changing a vote that is already cast. OTOH, the rules do
MV> not forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only
MV> if there are no serious objections from the constituency.
MV> It will set a precedent either way. So let me sleep on it.
I protest in the name of protocol..
If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing
the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of.
I submit:
Had the 2 no votes not been cast, Bjorn would not be pleading to
change his, therefore his regret over his own vote, is a sad
consequence.
I neither cast and up or down vote for Alexey just to avoid being cast
in some negative light, but held back such vote because he did come
across as worrying more about nit picking others than anything else..
Since Sweden is the cradle of Democracy, I fail to see why Bjorn is
scornful of others making a concious decision.
Do not allow revotes, what you gonna do, allow others to change their
votes if they dont like the direction the outcome is heading?
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 4 9 Dec 2013
Now if you want, you can after the election, put in a rule or rule
change, which I still would object to a revote, but you could change
the format to allow a yes vote or a non-vote, then each candidate
would have to score 50% or 50%+1 of all voters(*) counted. You of
course would be making this suggestion to the full FTSC, where we
would fight over it and not ever agree.
(*) If 20 voters then 10 or 11 yes votes needed.
However I could see someone pitching a fit over non-votes and wanting
to change their vote, see what happens here..
Dont tilt at windmills Michiel, be strong, I am here for you!
Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing the
results after the election concluded, that would be a viable option.
I can see you balking at this, but you could publicly acknowledge in
here... "RC such and such voted" But dont publish the actual vote,
until it is all tallied and too late.
Felten, you know better than this. You must know ride down downtown
Stockholm, nude on a moose with a Wolf on the loose.
==
Ross
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http://www.easternstar.info
E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Other Places: http://links.cassell.us
We hoped and we got change!
... Liberals hold others to standards that they wont hold to
themselves.
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== 38943 ================================================
Date : 16 Nov 10 21:24:13
From : Ross Cassell 1:123/456
To : Michiel van der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hello Michiel!
17 Nov 10 01:40, you wrote to me:
RC>> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules..
MV> Indeed, it is not in the rules. They do not explicitly allow
MV> nor forbid it. So it can go either way.
I think that when it comes to something like this, one should not
fall back and say well the rules dont forbid it either.
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You leave room open for someone (a candidate) to protest the vote.
You also leave room open for others (RC's and REC's) to also want
to change their vote.
As it is, with each vote you receive, you ack it then follow it
with a tally of all votes counted thus far, including the one you
just acked, now if you allow Bjorn to recast, you are going to
have to allow others to recast, then you get a pissing match if
others decide to recast ballots to counteract other recast votes..
Dont open the box Pandora!
==
Ross
Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader:
http://www.easternstar.info
E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Other Places: http://links.cassell.us
We hoped and we got change!
... Taxes are the sexual aphrodesiac for every Democrat.
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== 38944 ================================================
Date : 16 Nov 10 21:48:20
From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38
To : Ross Cassell
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hi Ross,
> I protest in the name of protocol..
> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing
> the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of.
Thank you Ross for pointing this out.
!! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow this?
I'm curious if you've thought it through.
Take care,
Janis
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== 38945 ================================================
Date : 16 Nov 10 21:51:58
From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38
To : Michiel van der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hello Michiel,
>>> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for
>>> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not forbid
>>> it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there are no
>>> serious objections from the constituency. It will set a precedent
>>> either way. So let me sleep on it.
>> I protest in the name of protocol..
> Noted. And as someone with voting rights your opinion carries
> weight.
Of course it does, my friend.. but please do not forget who asked
their RCs to put you in office!
>> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules..
Michiel, if you allow this, where do you draw the line as to WHEN
people may change their vote?? And at WHAT point do you tell people
when that point is?
When you've seen that enough RCs and RECs have said to you, Ok, this
is my final vote. For goodness sake, you sound like a game show host
over here asking people, "Is that your final answer??"
Seriously..
Take care,
Janis
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== 38956 ================================================
Date : 16 Nov 10 23:12:12
From : Joe Delahaye 1:249/303
To : Ross Cassell
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Re: Votes received.
By: Ross Cassell to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Nov 16 2010 18:22:5
> I protest in the name of protocol..
>
> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing
> the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of.
>
I have to agree with that. Once a vote is cast, it is done.
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== 39014 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 00:04:00
From : Michael Luko 1:266/512
To : Michiel Van Der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
-> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for
-> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not forbid
-> it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there are no
-> serious objections from the constituency. It will set a precedent
-> either way. So let me sleep on it.
I could see allowing a resubmission based on a technicality or
misunderstanding but not just based on how the voting is proceding.
Unless you are in a vote for one amongst different candidates and the
candidate in which the voter voted dropped out of the race. Then I
could see allowing those who voted for the dropped candidate to
resubmit a vote amongst the remaining candidates. I had a case last
year where I wasn't very clear that on my regional feed back poll
that each candidate was up for election. So I allowed those who only
voted for one candidate to resubmit their ballot indicating a vote
for each candidate unless of course they were actually abstaining
on that candidate.
If you allow changes based on the way someone doesn't like the way
the results are going. You could run into the problem well so and so
was able to change their vote because they didn't like the way things
were going then I can do the same. We could have an never ending
election process with everyone constantly changing ballots.
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== 39008 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 00:09:56
From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5
To : Ross Cassell
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
> Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing the
> results after the election concluded, that would be a viable option.
> I can see you balking at this, but you could publicly acknowledge in
> here... "RC such and such voted" But dont publish the actual vote,
> until it is all tallied and too late.
I really agree with this. Seeing votes will also tell others to vote
for this person and not this person. It done secretly and having the
final vote seems like the fair way to me. Like pick a number out of
a jar, if you win you win.
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<g>
Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
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== 39015 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 00:17:00
From : Michael Luko 1:266/512
To : Ross Cassell
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
-> You also leave room open for others (RC's and REC's) to also want
-> to change their vote.
-> As it is, with each vote you receive, you ack it then follow it
-> with a tally of all votes counted thus far, including the one you
-> acked, now if you allow Bjorn to recast, you are going to have to
-> just allow others to recast, then you get a pissing match if others
-> decide to recast ballots to counteract other recast votes..
-> Dont open the box Pandora!
Or opening a can of worms. :) The voting could go on forever and no
where fast.
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== 39011 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 00:20:48
From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5
To : Joe Delahaye
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
> Re: Votes received.
> By: Ross Cassell to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Nov 16 2010 18:22:5
>> I protest in the name of protocol..
>>
>> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing
>> the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of.
>>
> I have to agree with that. Once a vote is cast, it is done.
Sounds like a few kids in kindergarden to me. <g>
Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
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== 38939 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 01:40:37
From : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555
To : Ross Cassell
Subject : Votes received.
--------------------------------------------------------
AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hello Ross,
On Tuesday November 16 2010 18:22, you wrote to me:
MV>> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for
MV>> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not
MV>> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there
MV>> are no serious objections from the constituency. It will set a
MV>> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it.
RC> I protest in the name of protocol..
Noted. And as someone with voting rights your opinion carries weight.
RC> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules..
Indeed, it is not in the rules. They do not explicitly allow nor
forbid it. So it can go either way.
RC> Changing the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of.
There is a difference between changing the rules and changing a vote.
Changing the rules while the game is afoot is unheard of. Changing a
vote is not. Not in this part of the world anyway. Changing a once
cast vote is only problematic when votes are anonymous, as in that
case it is not possible to know what the originally cast vote was that
is to be retracted. In open elections this problem does not exist, so
I see no basic problem.
As a matter of fact, my RC - responding to my recomendation to consult
the region - is now collecting votes from the sysops in the region
over this very election. One sysop casted a vote that he retracted
next day and cast a new one. My RC accepted. So it is not unheard of.
RC> I submit:
RC> Had the 2 no votes not been cast, Bjorn would not be pleading to
RC> change his, therefore his regret over his own vote, is a sad
RC> consequence.
Possibly. It is however not for the vote collector or anyone else to
question the motives of the voter. The same applies to a voter who
requests a change of vote. When we deny it to one, we must deny it to
all. When we allow it for one, we must allow it for all. Irrespective
of the voter's motives.
Let's sleep on it.
Cheers, Michiel
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== 39083 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 09:22:28
From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5
To : Björn Felten
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
>> I really agree with this. Seeing votes will also tell others to
>> vote for this person and not this person.
> I totally agree. I was thinking wrongly. In the Swedish governmental
> elections you can vote as many times you like, the votes are given a
> time stam and the latest vote counts. But that's a closed election,
> in an open election like this, of course you should not be allowed
> to change your vote once it's being passed.
> Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I stand corrected. Please forget my
> suggestion
> ASAP!
Forgiven. Just this time and this time only (sales pitch). <g>
Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
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== 39084 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 09:27:34
From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5
To : Michiel Van Der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
> Hello Janis,
> On Tuesday November 16 2010 21:48, you wrote to Ross Cassell:
>> !! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow this?
>> I'm curious if you've thought it through.
> I said I was going to sleep on it didn't I? Whan I wrote that, I
> already realised that without drawing lines things could get messy
> if recasting votes were allowed.
You said that but you must have a had a short nap. <g>
> In the meantime I have slept on it.
Bright and fitten like a kitten wearing mittens. <g>
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> However... the request for a recast is withdrawn, so we can drop the
> issue.
Thank goodness. I wonder too if this was thought all the way through.
None-the-less it is resolved and we can go on with our merry lives.
Sincerely,
Jon Justvig
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== 39104 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 10:55:00
From : Bob Seaborn 1:140/12
To : Ross Cassell
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
For what it's worth, I fully agree. Once a vote is posted, and
acknowledged, it MUST stand as posted. No second thoughts, no
changing!
> Hello Michiel!
>
> 16 Nov 10 22:36, you wrote to Bj-rn Felten:
>
>MV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for
>MV> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not
>MV> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there
>NV> are no serious objectionsfrom the constituency. It will set a
>MV> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it.
>
> I protest in the name of protocol..
>
> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing
> the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of.
>
> I submit:
>
> Had the 2 no votes not been cast, Bjorn would not be pleading to
> change his, therefore his regret over his own vote, is a sad
> consequence.
>
> I neither cast and up or down vote for Alexey just to avoid being
> cast in some negative light, but held back such vote because he did
> come across as worrying more about nit picking others than anything
> else..
>
> Since Sweden is the cradle of Democracy, I fail to see why Bjorn is
> scornful of others making a concious decision.
>
> Do not allow revotes, what you gonna do, allow others to change
> their votes if they dont like the direction the outcome is heading?
>
FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 12 9 Dec 2013
> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Now if you want, you can after the election, put in a rule or rule
> change, which I still would object to a revote, but you could
> change the format to allow a yes vote or a non-vote, then each
> candidate would have to score 50% or 50%+1 of all voters(*)
> counted. You of course would be making this suggestion to the full
> FTSC, where we would fight over it and not ever agree.
>
> (*) If 20 voters then 10 or 11 yes votes needed.
>
> However I could see someone pitching a fit over non-votes and
> wanting to change their vote, see what happens here..
>
> Dont tilt at windmills Michiel, be strong, I am here for you!
>
> Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing
> the results after the election concluded, that would be a viable
> option.
>
> I can see you balking at this, but you could publicly acknowledge
> in here... "RC such and such voted" But dont publish the actual
> vote, until it is all tallied and too late.
>
> Felten, you know better than this. You must know ride down
> downtown Stockholm, nude on a moose with a Wolf on the loose.
>
> ==
> Ross
> Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader:
> http://www.easternstar.infoE-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Other
> Places: http://links.cassell.us
>
> We hoped and we got change!
>
> ... Liberals hold others to standards that they wont hold to
> themselves.--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20060121
> * Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456)
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== 39035 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 11:08:56
From : Björn Felten 2:203/2
To : Jon Justvig
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
JJ> I really agree with this. Seeing votes will also tell others to
JJ> vote for this person and not this person.
I totally agree. I was thinking wrongly. In the Swedish governmental
elections you can vote as many times you like, the votes are given a
time stamp and the latest vote counts. But that's a closed election,
FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 13 9 Dec 2013
in an open election like this, of course you should not be allowed to
change your vote once it's being passed.
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I stand corrected. Please forget my
suggestion ASAP!
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== 39062 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 12:52:06
From : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555
To : Janis Kracht
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hello Janis,
On Tuesday November 16 2010 21:48, you wrote to Ross Cassell:
JK> !! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow
JK> this? I'm curious if you've thought it through.
I said I was going to sleep on it didn't I? When I wrote that, I
already realised that without drawing lines things could get messy
if recasting votes were allowed.
In the meantime I have slept on it.
However... the request for a recast is withdrawn, so we can drop
the issue.
Cheers, Michiel
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== 39110 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 13:49:30
From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38
To : Michiel van der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hi Michiel,
>> !! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow this?
>> I'm curious if you've thought it through.
> I said I was going to sleep on it didn't I?
Yes, you did.. Why you felt you had to say such a thing says a lot
to me.
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> However... the request for a recast is withdrawn, so we can drop
> the issue.
Take care,
Janis
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== 39085 ================================================
Date : 17 Nov 10 16:50:14
From : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555
To : Ross Cassell
Subject : Voting rules
--------------------------------------------------------
AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
Hello Ross,
On Tuesday November 16 2010 18:22, you wrote to me:
RC> Now if you want, you can after the election, put in a rule or
RC> rule change,
The rules are laid down in FTA-1000. I do not have the mandate to
change that all by my self.
RC> course would be making this suggestion to the full FTSC, where
RC> we would fight over it and not ever agree.
That's FidoNet for you. We can never reach consesnsus, so trying to
change the election rules wpould probably be the umpteenth exercise in
futility.
RC> Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing
RC> the results after the election concluded, that would be a viable
RC> option.
A secret ballot is fine if all the voters are in the same room, write
their vote on a voting slip, which are then thrown in a hat and
counted.
If they are not physically in the same room with the vote collector(s)
there is nothing that stops the vote collector from manipulating the
votes. It has happened. Even in R28.
Cheers, Michiel
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== 39264 ================================================
Date : 18 Nov 10 16:46:26
From : Roger Nelson 1:3828/7
To : Michiel van der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
On Tue 2010-Nov-16 22:36, Michiel van der Vlist (2:2/20) wrote to
Björn Felten:
MvdV> Hello Björn,
MvdV> On Tuesday November 16 2010 14:23, you wrote to me:
BF> Dear Mr. Voting Admin, I only voted for the two persons that
BF> I know from way back, but please accept my alternate vote:
MvdV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules
MvdV> for changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not
MvdV> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there
MvdV> are no serious objections from the constituency. It will set a
MvdV> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it.
I wouldn't. Once a vote is cast, it is done. If you allow this you
will be opening Pandora's Box.
Regards,
Roger
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== 39267 ================================================
Date : 18 Nov 10 21:04:09
From : mark lewis 1:3634/12
To : Michiel van der Vlist
Subject : Votes received.
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AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC
BF> Dear Mr. Voting Admin, I only voted for the two persons that
BF> I know from way back, but please accept my alternate vote:
MvdV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for
MvdV> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not
MvdV> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there
MvdV> are no serious objections from the constituency. It will set a
MvdV> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it.
RN> I wouldn't. Once a vote is cast, it is done. If you allow this
RN> you will be opening Pandora's Box.
i have to agree... it has never been done before and it is not allowed
in any other voting procedures that i'm aware of... if there is a
procedure for a revote, then that would possibly come into play
depending on the circumstances...
one might also take a look at history and look at the negative votes
i got for my actions during the campanging portion of the last
election process ;)
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==== end ====
With thanks to Kees van Eeten for opening his archive.
╕ Michiel van der Vlist, all rights reserved.
Permission to publish in the FIDONEWS file echo, the FIDONEWS dis-
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Ruling on the protests in the FTSC electeion
By Michiel van der Vlist, Election coordinator 2:2/20
A protest was filed by three parties. One by RC17, Bob Seaborn
and one by ZC1, Janis Kracht and one by Ross Cassel RC18.
An attempt at mediation by Scott Little has failed for lack of
respons from RC14 and RC17.
Regarding the protest filed by Bob Seaborn, RC17:
BS> Is it my fault that that MY keyboard and video doees not
BS> support non-english characters?
1) The sysop is responsible for what his system injects into
the network. So if this presumed non-support of those
characters results in errors, then yes, the sysop is responsible.
2) Although it is not in the ASCII character set, characters with
a diaresis /are/ part of the English characters set, notably
in some English names: Emily Brontë, Noël Coward and the
constellation of Boötes. The fact that the diaresis is usually
omitted in US English does not change the fact that the o with
diaresis IS part of the character set used in English.
BS> Furthermore, after thinking about it, I do note that the rules of
BS> this echo, as posted by yourself dated 19 November 2013 states
BS> that the language of the echo is English:
3) The fact that the language for discussion is English, does not
exclude the use of names that are not English. If it were, names
as Delahaye (French) and Dossche (Dutch) would also have to be
banned.
4) The use of non ASCII characters in messages is a Fidonet standard
laid down in FTS-5003. While it is understandable that sysops
who have no use for other languages than US English have not
installed translation tables for non-ASCII character sets, this
can never be used as an excuse for a mangled vote.
5) The claim that the name of the candidate on the form was changed
to "Bjerk" by the software and the software alone, has no credi-
bility. The vertical lines were all in place. This was deliberate.
Regarding the protest by Ross Cassel RC18:
His own vote was processed without problems and to his staisfaction
he has little reason to complain.
He has however provided some input on the votes of the two RCs that
cast a vote for "Bjerk" and so have some others.
Regarding the use of names of candidates not exactly as they are in
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the nodelist:
1) It is common practise that sysops do not always use the exact name
as nodelisted in their messages. Some use short forms like "Bob"
for "Robert", some use "middle names". Like Robert "Jame" Clay.
2) It has been custom to list the candidates with the names they
present in their own messages or the name as posted by the nomi-
nator. The name may or may not be exactly the same as that in the
nodelist. The sysop listed as RJ Clay has been on the list of
candidates as Robert "Jame" Clay since 2011. No one ever made an
issue out of that.
Regarding identifying the candidate by the node number:
1) We vote for people, not numbers. The node number is just there so
that everyone can quickly check if the candidate fulfills the
requirement of being the sysop of a nodelisted system.
It may also help when there are two candidates with the same or
a similar name.
"The intentions of the voter were clear":
1) Yes, there is little doubt that Bob Seaborn intended to cast a "no"
vote for Björn Felten. But when we start going by intentions, there
is also little doubt that he intended to do more than that. He
intended to add an insult. This was not just a typo, or replacing a
non ASCII character with something the software could handle like
"oe" or "o". This was a deliberate name change with the intent to
insult. Such actions should have consequences.
"The rules are not clear"
1) The instructions for the voters were clear enough: Take the form
and put crosses in the "yes" or "no" spots. It did not say "and
change the names of the candidates to an insult you see fit".
It is common practise in most countries that changing anything othe
than putting marks at the indicated spots, invalidates the vote.
In my own country it invalidates the vote entirely and there is no
second chance. Had I followed this local custom, I would have dis-
missed BS's vote for all the candidates, not just the vote for
"Bjerk". So the "why should he risk that the vote for his own
nominee was dismissed?" has to be answered with: I do not know,
but he certainly /did/ take that risk.
When I was a school boy, it sometimes happened that one of us
pulled a prank. Itching powder on the teacher's seat, a stink bomb
that went off in chemistry class. That sort of thing. And then when
caught, we accepted the consequences. We took the punishment and at
the end of the day, we counted our marbles and moved on. We didn't
fight it out to the supreme court!
There is no candidate named "Bjerk", therefore votes for "Bjerk"
are dismissed as invalid.
FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 19 9 Dec 2013
Regarding recasting votes:
I refer to what happened in the 2010 election when I had the evil
thought of considering it when Björn Felten asked for a recast of
his vote. Let me take just this one from the many reactions:
BS> For what it's worth, I fully agree. Once a vote is posted, and
BS> acknowledged, it MUST stand as posted. No second thoughts, no
BS> changing!
All the arguments against allowing a recast that were forwarded in
2010 still apply. Where do we draw the line? Do not open this box
of Pandorra!
Some have argued that there is a difference between correcting an
error and changing the vote. It is however just putting another
label on what is the same thing: an atempt to influence the outcome
after one has cast one's vote.
Regarding the protest filed by Janis Kracht, ZC1:
Janis Kracht is not a candidate or a voter. As such she is not
directly involved in the election. Also, ZCs have no special
standing in this. There is nothing in either the election rules or
P4 that says they may act, speak or protest on behalf of an RC.
Also no request was received from Jon Justvig to the effect that
Janis Kracht be allowed to act as his proxy in this election.
Therefore the protest filed by Janis Kracht is dismissed. From the
multiple votes cast by Jon Justvig only the first is accepted for
the same reason that only the first vote of Bob Seaborn was
accepted.
So here is my ruling:
The election result stands as published earlier.
This ruling is final. There is no appeal.
Michiel van der Vlist
FTSC Election Coordinator.
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FTSC INFORMATION
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2103 standing member election, final result
By Michiel van der Vlist, election coordinator 2:2/20
All times in UTC.
Voting for FTSC membership has come to end. There were protests
regarding the votes cast by RC14 and RC17. This has not altered
the previously published preliminary result.
The result published below is the final result.
Eighteen RC's from three zones have voted.
Bob Seaborn RC17
Torsten Bamberg RC24
Björn Felten RC20
Joe Delahaye RC12
Andrew Leary RC16
Phil Kimble RC15
Ruedi Kneubuehler RC30
Jon Justvig RC14
Rj Clay RC11
Torbjörn Mohn RC21
Marc Lewis RC19
Vladimir Donskoy RC50
Kurt Weiske RC10
Michael Luko RC13
Tommi Koivula RC22
Ross Cassel RC18
Paul Quinn RC54
Michiel van der Vlist RC28
There were eight candidates and the votes are as follows:
----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Robert "Jame" Clay | 1:120/544 | 18 | |
| Dallas Hinton | 1:153/715 | 14 | 2 |
| Mark Hofmann | 1:261/1304 | 15 | 1 |
| Björn Felten | 2:203/2 | 7 | 5 |
| Markus Reschke | 2:240/1661 | 13 | 1 |
| Michiel van der Vlist| 2:280/5555 | 11 | 7 |
| Dimitry Romanov | 2:6078/1 | 13 | 1 |
| andrew clarke | 3:633/267 | 18 | |
----------------------------------------------
All candidates collected more "yes" than "no" votes and therefore
all are accepted into the FTSC. Their 2 year term starts on Monday
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9 december 2013 00:00 and ends two years later.
Michiel van der Vlist
FTSC Election Coordinator 2:2/20
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**********************************************************************
FTSC FIDONET TECHNICAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE
**********************************************************************
Publication: FTA-1003
Revision: 19
Title: FTSC Membership List
Author: Administrator
Issue Date: 9 December 2013
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Contents:
1. FTSC Administrator
2. FTSC Standing Members
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1. FTSC Administrator
---------------------
Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555. Term ends 12 October 2015
2. FTSC Standing Members
------------------------
Name Node Term ends
--------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Clarke 3:633/267 9 Dec 2015
Robert "Jame" Clay 1:120/544 9 Dec 2015
Stas Degteff 2:5080/102 16 Dec 2014
Björn Felten 2:203/2 9 Dec 2015
Dallas Hinton 1:153/715 9 Dec 2015
Mark Hofmann 1:261/1304 9 Dec 2015
Andrew Leary 1:320/119 16 Dec 2014
mark lewis 1:3634/12 16 Dec 2014
Markus Reschke 2:240/1661 9 Dec 2015
Fred Riccio 1:132/174 16 Dec 2014
Carol Shenkenberger 1:275/100 16 Dec 2014
Alexey Vissarionov 2:5020/545 16 Dec 2014
Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 9 Dec 2015
A. History
----------
Rev.1, 1997-10-05
* First non-draft release.
Rev.2, 1997-12-04
* Reformatted document slightly. Working group Y2K added.
* Working group members added.
Rev.3, 1997-12-29
* Year 2000 working group renamed from Y2K to Y.
* Leaders added for groups C and Y.
Rev.4, 1998-01-17
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* Group E added.
* Leaders added for groups A, B, D and E. Updated member list for
group C.
Rev.5, 1999-01-09
* Lists updated to reflect election results and resignations.
Rev.6, 2000-01-02
* Lists updated for resignations.
Rev.7, 2003-03-31
* Reformatted slightly.
* Updated header fields.
* Lists updated to reflect election results.
* Removed Working Groups
Rev.8, 2005-07-13
* Lists updated to reflect election results and resignations.
Rev.9, 2006-03-10
* Lists updated to reflect election results.
Rev 10. 2007-03-17
* Lists updated to reflect election results and resignations.
Rev 11. 2007-10-18
* Lists updated to reflect administrator election results.
Rev 12. 2008-04-13
* Lists updated to reflect election results.
Rev 13. 2009-11-18
* Lists updated to reflect election results and resignation
* of Scott Little after accepting ZC3 hat.
Rev 14. 2010-12-08
* Lists updated to reflect election results.
Rev 15, 2011-08-30
* List updated to reflect resignation of Sean Dennis
Rev 16, 2011-12-20
* List updated to reflect new term of administrator and
2011 standing member election results.
Rev 17, 2012-01-22
* List updated to reflect node number change of R.J. Clay.
Rev 18, 2012-12-17
* List updated to reflect election results.
Rev 19, 2013-12-9
* List updated to reflect election results and resignations
**********************************************************************
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JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST
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The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project
This is a list of known JamNNTPd servers working. They are essentially
the modern version of Bulletin Board Systems.
You connect to them using the email client of your choice and you
don't need any other software installed on your computer -- regardless
of operating system -- but that favourite mail client of yours.
Even smart phones can handle this, giving you the opportunity to get
your daily doses of fidonet on the bus, tram or train on the way to
your job, school or whatever.
Updated 2012-03-11
URL news://felten.yi.org
Join http://felten.yi.org/join.html
NETMAIL Yes, 2:203/2
URL news://the-estar.com:1119
Join http://www.easternstar.info
NETMAIL Yes, 1:123/789
URL news://quinnspost.dyndns.org:60119
Join mailto:eskimo261@bigfoot.com
Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
NETMAIL Yes, 3:640/384
URL news://nntp.rbb.bbs.fi
Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
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Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
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FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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-=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=-
Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info
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|Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
`- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84
| | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889
| | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://binkd.grumbler.org/ 2:463/69
| | v0.9.10 on Oct 2nd 2008
D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm 1:1/130
Nick Andre |I | v3.95 on October 13 2013
FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net
| | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
| | v1.4 RC5 on Apr 24th 2006
Mystic BBS |MTBCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com
|I | v1.10 A31 on Apr 13th 2013
Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38
(based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005
Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70
| |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English)
(based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru
| | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
| | Website is in Russian only
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004
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Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10
FMail |T |http://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/
| | 1.66.0.33.gpl (2013-10-17)
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | Lanuis site redirects to above
| | Squish is part of Maximus.
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BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | v3.03
| |Archives back online at:
| |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
| | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002
| | [Note: No Longer under active
| | development.]
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
| | v2.62.2SW
Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
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Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | Last Update: August 2004
Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net
Sean Dennis | | sean@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
| | Website is down after
| | past the splash page.
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de 2:2426/1210.13
| |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm
| | (English Version)
| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25
CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only)
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
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FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460
| | support@freexp.de
| | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | (Site is in German Only)
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004
| | Download Page comes back 404 not found.
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GoldEd+ |E |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/
| | 2:5080/102
| | stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
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FidoIP |MTPEIU|http://sourceforge.net/projects/fidoip
| | Maxim Sokolsky 2:5020/828.777
| | v.0.5_1 on Jan 11 2010
GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
| | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230
| | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway
| | Program.
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
MakeNL |U | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl
| | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com
| | Fido: 1:229/2000
| | FidoNet Nodelist Processor
Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
| | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan
| | @spamgourmet.com
| | Fido: 2:350/5
| | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <->
| | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system.
RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects/ftrack-as
| |2:5080/102
| |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
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| | v1.1.4 Snapshot on Oct 09 2009
TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard
Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys
| | are now available. Donations accepted.
| | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program)
Turquoise SuperStat |U |http://www.softwolves.pp.se/sw/
| | software/turquoise
| | peter@softwolves.pp.se
| | Version: 3.0 on 2008-01-21
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access
(use ftp:// instead of http:// above)
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.340
size 293.6kb
date 2013-12-06
The nodelist has 1931 nodes in it
and a total of 2891 non-comment entries
including 4 zones
35 regions
222 hosts
183 hubs
admin overhead 444 ( 22.99 %)
and 282 private nodes
93 nodes down
141 nodes on hold
off line overhead 516 ( 26.72 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 150 ( 7.77 %)
9600 = 1126 ( 58.31 %)
(HST = 17 or 1.51 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 1 or 0.09 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.09 %)
(V32 = 552 or 49.02 %)
(V32B = 46 or 4.09 %)
(V34 = 757 or 67.23 %)
(V42 = 627 or 55.68 %)
(V42B = 50 or 4.44 %)
2400 = 9 ( 0.47 %)
1200 = 2 ( 0.10 %)
300 = 644 ( 33.35 %)
ISDN = 129 ( 6.68 %)
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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 547
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 0
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 0
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XP Seadog 0
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XR Opus 1.03 15
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XW Fido >12M 46
Tabby
KittenMail
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 591
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
T-Mail
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None QMM 732
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CrashMail capable = 1044 ( 54.07 %)
MailOnly nodes = 921 ( 47.70 %)
Listed-only nodes = 135 ( 6.99 %)
Other = -169 ( -8.75 %)
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