FidoNews · Vol 29, No 40 · 01 Oct 2012
The F I D O N E W S Volume 29, Number 40 01 Oct 2012
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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2
Notes on a topless echomail distribution system .......... 2
3. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 4
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 4
4. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 5
FidoNet Software References .............................. 5
5. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 10
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 10
6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 12
How to Submit an Article ................................. 12
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 14
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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Finally I am becoming stupider no more.
-- Paul Erdos' epitaph
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GENERAL ARTICLES
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Notes on a topless echomail distribution system.
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555
Fidonet echomail distribution is traditionally based on top down
structures. While Fidonet itself was designed as a peer to peer
network, echomail terminology is full of terms like uplink, downlink,
hubs and backbones. For a specific echomail area, a node has one
uplink and zero or mode downlinks. Peering links are only found at the
top of the so called backbone if it consists of a backbone ring. AKA a
fully connected polygon.
Such a rigid structure is needed to avoid so called dupes. Messages
arriving more than once. Dupes can happen when there is more then one
path between nodes. One way to prevent dupes is to ensure that there
is only one path between the downlinks and the uplinks.
Backbone
/ \
/ \
/ \
Hub Hub
/ \ / \
/ \ / \
node node node node
Another one is dupe prevention by seen-by.
A----------B
| * * |
| * * |
| * * |
| * * |
C----------D
These four nodes form a so called fully connected polygon. They are
all connected to each other. The seen-bys prevent that a message from
A arriving at B will be sent on to C and D, because they are already
in the seen-by.
There is no theoretical limit on the size of a fully connected polygon
but there are practical limits. Five is about the practical maximum.
A standard echomail topology is a backbone of one to five nodes
forming a fully connected polygon. Each backbone member feeds a number
of hubs who in turn feed a number of downlinks.
Such a configuration works fine for preventing dupes.
But is has drawbacks.
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It is a top down configuration and one of the drawbacks of that is
that it has a top from which things can be controlled. The most recent
example was in the summer of 2011 when the North American Backbone
tried to grab control of Fodonews, causing a schism in te process, but
there have been many other examples in the history of Fidonet. The R28
CSO wars come to mind.
The cost sharing wars ended when the main distrubition went from POTS
to Fido over IP, reducing the cost to almost zero, so there no longer
was any cost to fight over. We thought that freed Fidonet from the
power of the distributors to control the distribution of echomal, but
unfortunately it didn't as the 2011 Fidonews coup has demonstrated.
So in the summer of 2011 the NAB set all of Fidonet outside of Z1 to
read only for the Fidonews echo. And than something unexpected
happened. To circumvent the censoring, sysops all over the world
starting laying new links. Without any coordinations whatsover. Just
find a link that is not censored. They knew this was going to cause
dupes, but the idea was to first restore the links and worry about the
dupes later. What evolved was what I have named the NADS, the New
Anarchy Distribution Network. Some have called it GONADS which is
quite appropriate as it takes balls to knowingly and willingly
breaking a 25 year old taboo: that of causing dupes. Up until then
that had been an almost mortal sin.
Yes, there were some dupes. But not as many as was feared. Not by FAR
as many. So then the idea arose to lay some more links. And some more.
Against inituition this did not cause an increase of dupes. In
retrospect this is not so strange. When everyone links up with
everyone we are back to a fully connected polygon. So when approaching
such a configuration one can expect the dupes to go down again.
And there we have it. The NADS. Others have called it the Fidoweb.
Maybe a better term as that is what it looks like.
The result is a topless distribution system. No "top" to control it
from and as a side benefit, it is far less sensitive to SPOF. If there
is a path that dupes can follow, there is an alternate path in case a
node drops out. The price is a manageable increase in traffic. In the
POTS age, that would have increased the cost. In the Fido over IP age:
who cares?
╕ Michiel van der Vlist, all rights reserved.
Permission to publish in the FIDONEWS file echo, the FIDONEWS
discussion echo and the FNEWS_PUBLISH echo as originating from 2:2/2
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JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST
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The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project
This is a list of known JamNNTPd servers working. They are essentially
the modern version of Bulletin Board Systems.
You connect to them using the email client of your choice and you
don't need any other software installed on your computer -- regardless
of operating system -- but that favourite mail client of yours.
Even smart phones can handle this, giving you the opportunity to get
your daily doses of fidonet on the bus, tram or train on the way to
your job, school or whatever.
Updated 2012-03-11
URL news://felten.yi.org
Join http://felten.yi.org/join.html
NETMAIL Yes, 2:203/2
URL news://the-estar.com:1119
Join http://www.easternstar.info
NETMAIL Yes, 1:123/789
URL news://quinnspost.dyndns.org:60119
Join mailto:eskimo261@bigfoot.com
NETMAIL No
URL news://nntp.rbb.bbs.fi
Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/361
URL news://news.wpusa.dynip.com
Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
NETMAIL Yes, 1:3634/12
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FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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-=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=-
Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info
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|Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
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Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84
| | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889
| | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://binkd.grumbler.org/ 2:463/69
| | v0.9.10 on Oct 2nd 2008
D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm 1:1/130
Nick Andre |I | v3.8 on July 10 2012
FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net
| | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
| | v1.4 RC5 on Apr 24th 2006
Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38
(based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005
Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70
| |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English)
(based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru
| | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
| | Website is in Russian only
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004
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Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
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| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10
FMail |T |http://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/
| | v1.60.GPL
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | Lanuis site redirects to above
| | Squish is part of Maximus.
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BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
Ezycom BBS |BT |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com
| | ezycom@amnet.net.au or
| | ezycom_hq@ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682
| | v2.15g2 on 16 Nov 2009
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | v3.03
| |Archives back online at:
| |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004
Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com
| | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
| | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002
| | [Note: No Longer under active
| | development.]
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
| | v2.62.2SW
Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
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| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | Last Update: August 2004
Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net
Sean Dennis | | sean@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
| | Website is down after
| | past the splash page.
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de 2:2426/1210.13
| |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm
| | (English Version)
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| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25
CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only)
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460
| | support@freexp.de
| | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | (Site is in German Only)
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004
| | Download Page comes back 404 not found.
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GoldEd+ |E |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/
| | 2:5080/102
| | stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
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FidoIP |MTPEIU|http://sourceforge.net/projects/fidoip
| | Maxim Sokolsky 2:5020/828.777
| | v.0.5_1 on Jan 11 2010
GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
| | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230
| | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway
| | Program.
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
MakeNL |U | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl
| | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com
| | Fido: 1:229/2000
| | FidoNet Nodelist Processor
Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
| | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan
| | @spamgourmet.com
| | Fido: 2:350/5
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| | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <->
| | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system.
RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects/ftrack-as
| |2:5080/102
| |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
| | v1.1.4 Snapshot on Oct 09 2009
TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard
Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys
| | are now available. Donations accepted.
| | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program)
Turquoise SuperStat |U |http://www.softwolves.pp.se/sw/
| | software/turquoise
| | peter@softwolves.pp.se
| | Version: 3.0 on 2008-01-21
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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File Archives:
http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.net
http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com
http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi
http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access
(use ftp:// instead of http:// above)
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Please send corrections & additions to: Fidonews Editor
Emeritus: Robert Couture, Ben Ritchey, Todd Cochrane,
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.272
size 342.4kb
date 2012-09-28
The nodelist has 2419 nodes in it
and a total of 3525 non-comment entries
including 5 zones
37 regions
242 hosts
202 hubs
admin overhead 486 ( 20.09 %)
and 324 private nodes
128 nodes down
168 nodes on hold
off line overhead 620 ( 25.63 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 199 ( 8.23 %)
9600 = 1541 ( 63.70 %)
(HST = 21 or 1.36 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 1 or 0.06 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.06 %)
(V32 = 739 or 47.96 %)
(V32B = 53 or 3.44 %)
(V34 = 1035 or 67.16 %)
(V42 = 877 or 56.91 %)
(V42B = 58 or 3.76 %)
2400 = 11 ( 0.45 %)
1200 = 2 ( 0.08 %)
300 = 666 ( 27.53 %)
ISDN = 169 ( 6.99 %)
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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 693
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 0
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 1
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XP Seadog 0
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XR Opus 1.03 16
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XW Fido >12M 66
Tabby
KittenMail
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 769
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
T-Mail
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None QMM 874
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CrashMail capable = 1187 ( 49.07 %)
MailOnly nodes = 1205 ( 49.81 %)
Listed-only nodes = 184 ( 7.61 %)
Other = -157 ( -6.49 %)
[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]
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How to Submit an Article
If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here
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