FidoNews · Vol 26, No 15 · 13 Apr 2009
The F I D O N E W S Volume 26, Number 15 13 Apr 2009
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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2
Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy ........................... 2
3. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 5
FidoNet Software References .............................. 5
4. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 10
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 10
5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 12
How to Submit an Article ................................. 12
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 14
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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A great nation is like a great man:
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults
as his most benevolent teachers.
-- Lao Tzu
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GENERAL ARTICLES
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Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy
By FTSC chairman, Michiel van der Vlist
2:2/40
Summary
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This is a plea to reduce the FidoNet hierarchy by at least one level.
Fidonet has shrunk from some 36000 listed nodes in the second half of
the previous decade to some 4500 listed node per nodelist.100 of last
Friday. It is anyone's guess how much of these are dead wood, but
suspicion is that it is considerable. This is a plea to improve the
situation by reducing the number of hierarchical levels.
Why reduce the number of levels?
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Soon another region will disappear from the nodelist. Possibly even by
next Friday. Region 31, Austria. It has shrunk way below critical mass
and so the decision to not continue as a region of its own is a wise
decision. Keeping up appearances is not compatible with "ensuring the
smooth operation of the network", which is the job of the
coordinators.
This incident once again raises the question of whether FidoNet really
needs four levels of hierarchy. At ground level, there are the nodes.
Above that the net, then the regions and at the top the zones.
Technically there is a fifth level at the bottom: the points. Now that
FidoNet has shrunk to a fraction of what it ever was, do we need all
those levels? Did we ever need them? Soon after the creation of
FidoNet, nets were created for two reasons; One: it became too big for
one person to maintain the nodelist. Two: to create a default routing.
I think there is no question that nets are still useful. But do we
really need two levels of hierarchy above that? I doubt it. There is
no denying that the nodelist contains a lot of dead wood and that is a
sign that the coordination hierarchy is not functioning properly, it
seems to be unable to keep the nodelist clean from dead wood. It might
function better if the hierarchy were trimmed down. Too many cooks
spoil the broth.
What level to do away with?
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Perhaps from a political point of view, it might be the best to do
away with the regions. Coming down from the top, it appears that It is
at the region level where things start to go wrong. RC's fall asleep
or just disappear and are not replaced with the result that the
segment is frozen and degrades into dead wood. However, this article
is not written from the political point of view, it is wrtten from a
technical point of view and from the technival point of view it would
be a good idea do to away with the zones.
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Why do away with zones?
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For starers: we never needed them in the first place and the technical
implementation is shaky at best. When FidoNet went from 1D to 2D, all
the software was upgraded. No 1D software survived after the
introduction of nets. But when zones were introduced, Fidonet took a
halfhearted turn. A system of zonegates was introduced so that nodes
could continue to use 2D only software. Also they could operate with a
nodelist of their own zone only. By now 2D only software (stone age
software) has faded out and disk space is no longer an issue, so that
"everyone" uses the full nodelist, but remnants of the 2D system still
remain. PATH and SEEN-BY in echomail are still 2D. And because nets
numbers are not unique across zones, systems acting as zonegates used
to strip SEEN+BYs in interzone echomail. This causes dupe prevention
not to work across zones. As long as only ONE zonegate is used to gate
echomail from one zone to another this is no problem, but that system
has long ago been abandoned. Pro posals to make PATH and SEEN-BY zone
aware were filed (FSC-0052 and others) but never implemented. As a
result Circular Path Protection does not work across zones and as it
is unlikely that FSC-0052 will ever be implemented, the only way to
ever make it work is to dispense with the zones or at lest with the
interzone duplicates.
From the non-technical POV, zones have brought us nothing but grief.
They have divided Fidonet into social islands for which their was
never a technical need. Add to that, that already one zone (zone 6)
was disbanded because there was no one left to administer it, and that
two other zones are unlikely to pass scrutiny for critical mass, there
is every reason to consider continuing the process of reducing the
number of zones with the ultimate goal of doing away with them
altogether.
How to go about it?
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From the technical point of view there is one problem: Nets are not
unique across zones. So when doing away with zones, we first have to
deal with the rpoblem of duplicate nets.
For starters there is the recommendation that RC's when creating new
nets they DO NOT ASSIGN NET NUMBERS THAT ARE IN USE IN ANOTHER ZONE.
For ZC's the recommendation that when RC's go against this
recommendation, they do not approve it.
How about existing nets? although the majority of them has
disappeared, there are still a few duplicate nets. All in Z1 and Z2. I
counted seven. They are:
220
249
250
343
345
372
382
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It seems that the problem has become manageable. Rc's may want to take
a closer look. Some of these nets could perhaps be easily dealt with.
Perhaps some of them do not even exist any more. Others consist of
only one or two sysops that could be transferred to a neighbour net.
To give just one example: net 2:220. As host it lists someone who is
already listed as host in another net. There is just one leaf node and
that is a private node. If that net isn't dead, it is in coma and
should have been disbanded and have the remaining node transferred to
a neighbouring net if it is still operational. I leave it to the
reader to find other examples examples of dead or near dead nets in
the duplicate list.
Conclusion
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I realise that doing away with the zones will be asking a lot. It will
demand lots of diplomacy from the ZCs to come to an arrangement, if
only about who will be the new top level coordinator. Nevertheless I
feel that reducing the coordinator overhead will benefit the network
in the long run and doing away with the zones will be a good start.
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FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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-=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=-
Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info
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|Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
`- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84
| | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889
| | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/
| | maloff@corbina.net
| | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000 (Outdated)
FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net
| | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
| | v1.4 RC2 on Sep 22nd 2003
Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38
(based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005
Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70
| |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English)
(based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru
| | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
| | Website is in Russian only
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004
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Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10
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FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org
| | support@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | Lanuis site redirects to above
| | Squish is part of Maximus.
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BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
EZYCom BBS |BT |http://ezycom.sytes.net
| |http://members.westnet.com.au/centuryp/
| | ezycom@westnet.com.au 3:690/682
| | v2.0 on 3 May 2003
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | v3.03
| |Archives back online at:
| |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004
Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com
| | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
| | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002
| | [Note: No Longer under active
| | development.]
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
| | v2.62.2SW
Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
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Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | Last Update: August 2004
Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net
Sean Dennis | | sean@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
| | Website is down after
| | past the splash page.
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de
| |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm
| | (English Version)
| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25 2:2426/1210.13
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CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only)
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460
| | support@freexp.de
| | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | (Site is in German Only)
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004
| | Download Page comes back 404 not found.
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GoldEd+ |E |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/ 2:203/6600
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
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GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard
Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys
| | are now available. Donations accepted.
| | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program)
Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
| | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230
| | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway
| | Program.
Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
| | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan
| | @spamgourmet.com
| | Fido: 2:350/5
| | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <->
| | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system.
MakeNL |U | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl
| | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com
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| | Fido: 1:229/2000
| | FidoNet Nodelist Processor
Turquoise SuperStat |U |http://www.softwolves.pp.se/sw/
| | software/turquoise
| | peter@softwolves.pp.se
| | Version: 3.0 on 2008-01-21
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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File Archives:
http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.net
http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com
http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi
http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access
(use ftp:// instead of http:// above)
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.100
size 515.6kb
date 2009-04-10
The nodelist has 4095 nodes in it
and a total of 5641 non-comment entries
including 5 zones
41 regions
283 hosts
291 hubs
admin overhead 620 ( 15.14 %)
and 486 private nodes
198 nodes down
242 nodes on hold
off line overhead 926 ( 22.61 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 297 ( 7.25 %)
9600 = 3076 ( 75.12 %)
(HST = 63 or 2.05 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 1 or 0.03 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.03 %)
(V32 = 1501 or 48.80 %)
(V32B = 92 or 2.99 %)
(V34 = 2034 or 66.12 %)
(V42 = 1735 or 56.40 %)
(V42B = 101 or 3.28 %)
2400 = 26 ( 0.63 %)
1200 = 5 ( 0.12 %)
300 = 691 ( 16.87 %)
ISDN = 273 ( 6.67 %)
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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 1264
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 6
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 2
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XP Seadog 1
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XR Opus 1.03 19
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XW Fido >12M 155
Tabby
KittenMail
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 1483
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
T-Mail
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None QMM 1165
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CrashMail capable = 1612 ( 39.37 %)
MailOnly nodes = 2228 ( 54.41 %)
Listed-only nodes = 315 ( 7.69 %)
Other = -60 ( -1.47 %)
[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]
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