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FidoNews · Vol 23, No 49 · 04 Dec 2006

     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 23, Number 49             04 Dec 2006 
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                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  2
        Concerns about the decomposition of the nodelist  .........  2
     3. ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................  4
        FidoNet Software References  ..............................  4
     4. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .....................................  9
        How to Submit an Article  .................................  9
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 11
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     Do what you feel in your heart to be right. You'll be criticized
     anyway.

                               -- Eleanor Roosevelt


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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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              Concerns about the decomposition of the nodelist
              By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555


     Every once in a while I peruse the nodelist and I find an anomaly.
     Something like this:

     Region,64,Pacific_Islands_Regional_Coordinator,PHILIPPINES,
     Terry_Roati,000-0-0-0-0,300,XR

     Or this one:

     Host,654,Shanghai_Net,Shanghai,Bin_Li,000-0-0-0-0,300,XA

     Notice anything odd about these entries? In case you don't see it, try
     to have your mailer make contact with them. It will fail for obvious
     reasons; there is no contact information. No valid telephone number,
     no IP address, no domain name. Nothing. These nodes are unreachable.

     Now if they were leaf nodes this may just be acceptable if they were
     listed with the Pvt keyword, but this is a Host and an RC. How can a
     host fulfil his obligation of receiving incoming mail for the nodes in
     his net if he himself has less reachability than a point? A point at
     least can be reached through his boss node, but a host listed without
     contact information is flat out unreachable.

     What I find most odd is that when I vent my concerns about this
     development, the only reactions I get are of the type: "why does it
     concern you so much?" Or: "it is none of your bussiness, it is not in
     your net, not even in your zone!"

     Why does it concern me so much? I think that is the wrong question. A
     more to the point question is "why do I seem to be the only one who is
     concerned about this?" FidoNet does not stop at the end of my net. It
     does not stop at the end of my region and it does not stop at the end
     of my zone. FidoNet is a global newtwork defined by the nodelist. The
     nodelist is build from the bottom up: hub segments, net segments,
     region segments, zone segments and finally the international nodelist.
     We do not limit the distribution of the segments to our own net,
     region, or zone, no we distribute a global nodelist to every node in
     the network. The argument "it is none of your business, it is not in
     your net/region/zone" is a bogus argument. If there is garbage in the
     nodelist it affects everyone who uses the nodelist. I.e every sysop
     and pointop in FidoNet.

     FidoNet is on the decline, that is a fact. People leave because they
     lose interest, they find shinier toys to play with and sadly enough
     some leave feet first. There is little or nothing we can do about
     that. But what we still CAN do something about, is keeping the
     nodelist in sync with reality. What we CAN do something about is
     keeping the garbage out of the nodelist.

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     If the system of a host or NC is no longer running a FidoNet
     compatible mailer for receiving mail, that system can no longer
     function as a host for the net and should be replaced. If a suitable
     replacement can not be found within the net, the net can no longer
     function as a net and it should be resolved. Any remaining functional
     nodes should be listed as independents in the region, relocated in a
     neighbouring net - if need be by expanding the geographical bounderies
     of that neighbouring net or continue to participate by operating as a
     point under whatever uplink they get their mail from.

     If the system of a region coordinator no longer runs a FidoNet
     compatible mailer for receiving mail, that RC can no longer perform
     his duties and should be replaced. If a suitable replacement can not
     be found within the region, that region should be dissolved and the
     remaining nets/nodes should be relocated to a neighbouring region or
     neighbouring regions, if need be by expanding the geographic
     bounderies of those neighbouring regions.

     And of course the same goes on the zone level. If a zone becomes too
     small, has to few participants to fill the *C positions and keep up
     the net/region/zone hierarchy in any meaningful way so it no longer
     functions as a zone, it should be dissolved and the remaining nodes be
     relocated to a neighbouring zone or zones.

     In some cases this may go smooth and almost spontaneously - as in the
     case of R2:28 - and in some cases it will take more drastic measures
     than self regulation to achieve the goal. But if we fail to take these
     measures, we will continue to see the nodelist decompose into a list
     of unreachable nodes with no structure and full of dead wood. A clean
     and up to date nodelist is in the interest of everyone who makes use
     of it. Why am I the only one who seems concerned about its
     decomposition?


     (c) 2006, Michiel van der Vlist. All rights reserved. Permission to
     distribute via the FdioNews file echo and the FidoNews echomail
     conference.


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                 ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================

                    -=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=-

         Type: M=Mailer  T=Tosser  B=BBS  D=Door  C=Comm/Terminal
               P=Points  E=Editor  I=Internet  U=Utility  ?=Info

     .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -.
     |Software: Author     |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes      Help Node|
     `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'

      Argus                |MI   |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/  2:469/84
                           |     | argus@ritlabs.com  Tel: 373-2-246889
                           |     | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001

      BinkleyTerm XE       |M    |http://btxe.sourceforge.net     1:1/102
                           |     | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998

      BinkD                |MI   |http://2f.ru/binkd/
                           |     | maloff@corbina.net
                           |     | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000 (Outdated)

      FIDO-Deluxe IP       |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
       Michael Haase       |     | m.haase@gmx.net
                           |     | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003

      FrontDoor, FD/APX:   |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se          2:201/330
       Definite Solutions  |     | sales@defsol.se                1:1/101
                           |     | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX

      Husky Project        |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
                           |     | v1.4 RC2 on Sep 22nd 2003

      Radius               |MI   |http://radius.pp.ru           2:5012/38
      (based on Argus)     |     | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
                           |     | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005

      Taurus               |MI   |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70
                           |     |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English)
      (based on Radius)    |     | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru
                           |     | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004

      Tmail                |MI   |http://www.tmail.spb.ru  v2608
                           |     | Website is in Russian only

      WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
       Net Server, Platinum|     | sales@santronics.com
       Xpress: Santronics  |     | Tel: (305) 248-3204
       Software, Inc.      |     | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      Fidogate             |TUI  |http://www.fidogate.org
                           |     | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net  v4.4.10

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      FMail                |T    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org
                           |     | support@fmail.nl.eu.org  v1.60

      JetMail: JetSys      |TU   |http://www.jetsys.de  js@jetsys.de
       (ATARI ST only)     |     | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000

      Squish               |T    |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
                           |     | Lanuis site redirects to above
                           |     | Squish is part of Maximus.

     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      BBBS                 |BI   |http://www.bbbs.net  b@bbbs.net
                           |     | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999     2:22/222

      ELEBBS: The Elevator |B    |http://www.elebbs.com
       Software Production |     | elebbs@elebbs.com
                           |     | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002

     EZYCom BBS            |BT   |http://ezycom.sytes.net
                           |     |http://members.westnet.com.au/centuryp/
                           |     | ezycom@westnet.com.au    3:690/682
                           |     | v2.0 on 3 May 2003

      Hermes II Project    |B    |http://www.hermesii.org
                           |     | info@HermesII.org  v3.5.9 Beta Final

      Maximus BBS          |B    |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
                           |     | v3.03
                           |     |Archives back online at:
                           |     |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/

      MBSE BBS:            |BI   |http://mbse.sourceforge.net  2:280/2802
       Michiel Broek       |     | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
                           |     | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004

      Mystic BBS           |B    |http://www.mysticbbs.com
                           |     | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001

      Nexus BBS            |B    |http://www.nexusbbs.net
                           |     | groberts@nexusbbs.net
                           |     | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002
                           |     | [Note: No Longer under active
                           |     |  development.]

      Proboard BBS         |B    |http://www.proboard.be
                           |     | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002

      RemoteAccess BBS:    |B    |http://www.rapro.com            1:1/120
       Bruce Morse         |     | bfmorse@rapro.com
                           |     | v2.62.2SW

      Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
       Creek Software      |     | MDWoltz@aol.com             1:1/150
                           |     | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999

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      Synchronet BBS       |BT   |http://www.synchro.net
                           |     | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
                           |     | v3.10L Beta

      Telegard BBS         |B    |http://www.telegard.net
                           |     | support@telegard.net
                           |     | v3.09g2 SP4
     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      Atlantis Software    |D    |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
                           |     | Last Update: August 2004

      Cheepware            |DU   |http://outpostbbs.net
       Sean Dennis         |     | sean@outpostbbs.net         1:18/200

      DDS (Doorware        |D    |http://www.doorgames.org     1:2404/201
       Distribution System)|     | ruth@doorgames.org
       Ruth Argust         |     |

      DoorMUD              |D    |http://doormud.com
                           |     | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
                           |     | Website is down after
                           |     | past the splash page.

      Jibben Software      |D    |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
                           |     | scott@jibben.com
                           |     | 1995-99 Release dates

      John Dailey Software |D    |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
                           |     | support@johndaileysoftware.com

      Shining Star         |D    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
                           |     | nannette@shiningstar.net

      Sunrise Doors:       |D    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
       Al Lawrence         |     | al@sunrisedoors.com
                           |     | Tel: (404) 256-9518

      The Brainex System   |D    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
                           |     | stanley@brainex.com  1994-99 Releases

      Trade Wars           |D    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
                           |     | jpritch@eisonline.com
                           |     | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002

      Vagabond Software:   |D    |http://www.vbsoft.org        1:124/7013
       Bryan Turner        |     | vagabond@vbsoft.org
                           |     | last update: Jul 17th 2002

     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      APoint               |PI   |http://www.apoint-mail.de
                           |     |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm
                           |     | (English Version)
                           |     | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
                           |     | v1.25                   2:2426/1210.13
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      CrossPoint (XP)      |P    |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only)
                           |     | pm@crosspoint.de  v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999

      FreeXP               |P    |http://www.freexp.de         2:2433/460
                           |     | support@freexp.de
                           |     | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)

      OpenXP/32            |PI   |http://www.openxp.com        2:248/2004
                           |     |  (Site is in German Only)
                           |     | mk@openxp.de  v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004
                           |     | Download Page comes back 404 not found.

     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      GoldEd+              |E    |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/   2:203/6600
                           |     | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003

      SqEd32               |E    |http://www.sqed.de
                           |     | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999

      TimEd                |E    |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
                           |     | mail@ozzmosis.com            /timed
                           |     | v1.11.a5 in March 2003      3:633/267

     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      GiGo                 |UI   |http://www.gigo.com
                           |     | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997

      Internet Rex:        |UI   |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
       Charles Cruden      |     | telnet://xanadubbs.ca       1:342/806
       (Khan Software)     |     | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001

      TransNet             |UI   |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
                           |     | transnet@ressl.com.ar
                           |     | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998

      TransX: Multiboard   |UI   |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard
       Communications, Inc.|     | Unsure about support now but Free Keys
                           |     | are now available.  Donations accepted.
                           |     | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program)

      Ifmail               |UI   |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
                           |     | crosser@average.org         2:5020/230
                           |     | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway
                           |     | Program.

      Meltdown-BBS         |UI   |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
                           |     | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan
                           |     |                       @spamgourmet.com
                           |     | Fido:                       2:350/5
                           |     | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <->
                           |     | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system.

      MakeNL               |U    | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl
                           |     | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com
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                           |     | Fido:                       1:229/2000
                           |     | FidoNet Nodelist Processor

     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      National BBS List    |?    | http://www.usbbs.org

      Hispanic FIDO/BBS's  |?    | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
       (in Spanish only)   |     |  (Extensive software & BBS Listings)

     +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

      File Archives:

       http://archives.thebbs.org             http://www.filegate.net
       http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org         http://www.juge.com
       http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/        http://garbo.uwasa.fi
       http://www.simtel.net                  http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
       http://www.bbsfiles.com                http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

      Note: most also provide FTP access
            (use ftp:// instead of http:// above)

     *=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*

      Please send corrections & additions to: Robert Couture, 1:229/2000
                    E-Mail: rpa4email (at) rogers (dot) com
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