FidoNews · Vol 14, No 49 · 8 December 1997
F I D O N E W S -- Volume 14, Number 49 8 December 1997
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ZEC Election! Film at 11!
Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Announcements galore! .................................... 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
My .02 worth ............................................. 2
3. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator Election Official Announcem .. 3
4. COLUMNS .................................................. 10
Fidonet in Europe ........................................ 10
5. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 12
6. NOTICES .................................................. 13
Future History ........................................... 13
FidoNet via Internet Hubs ................................ 13
7. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 15
Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 15
8. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 19
FidoNews PGP public-key listing .......................... 19
9. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 20
10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 22
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EDITORIAL
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The ZEC election is getting underway. The sizeable details are
contained below.
The FidoNet World Wide Webring has just passed 80 sites! Details on
joining are in the Masthead info at the end of every Issue.
If your Net, Region, or Zone has a webpage, don't forget to send the
complete URL to me at any of the addresses listed in each Issue. Only
Region and Zone listings appear in these pages but those and Nets do
appear on the FidoNews Editor page at:
http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
and you'd be surprised at the number of inquiries I get every week
from that site and its Guestbook looking for links to various
countries or areas and wanting to join or rejoin FidoNet. The Internet
does serve a purpose for FidoNet membership. [grin]
For those of you looking for Internet access to FidoNews, check out
the Masthead for instructions to sign up for either an email
subscription or a filesend each week. FidoNews still doesn't get to
every Node via the Coordinator structure as it is supposed to be
distributed. [sigh]
Otherwise, the same old arguments flourish in Echomail and we still
have no International Coordinator.
C.B.
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Return-Path: ghannah@pris.bc.ca
From: ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Return-receipt-to: ghannah@pris.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 97 16:18:02 -0700
To: cbaker84@digital.net
Subject: Slow death
Dear editor:
In the article of 14-48 Fidonet Dies a slow death, I would like to add
my .02 worth.
The CRP is IMHO a minor factor in whether I keep running or not, the
major factor is: Is FidoNet still fun? For me it is still fun. The
second consideration is are the people in my community using my
system? Nope I am lucky to have 10 callers a month, when I used to
have 20-25 per day. The people here are just not interested enough to
call a BBS they would just as soon cruise the net. I had hoped to be
one of the last FidoNet systems out there, but alas I may not be.
For most of us sysops the decision to shut down is not taken lightly,
it is agonizing, for a coupe in my former Net they spent many a
sleepless night with the decision to shut down. After all it is a
part of our lives.
The other consideration is when some of the boards shut down there is
a temporary cut in the mail feed, and this screws things up royally.
Gord Hannah
1:17/23.0
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We are a fine board trying to make it better.
Hope this helps. Keep us posted.
Gord Hannah
FidoNet 1:17/23
Official Terminate Test and Support Site
Official BGFAX Test and Support Site
Official NETTAMER Support Site
Moderator: SHAREWARE_SUPPORT
Co-Moderator: DIRTY_DOZEN
ghannah@pris.bc.ca
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ARTICLES
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Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator Election Official Announcement
by Martin Belcke 1:232/10, 1:232/16, mbelcke@ws02.irvbbs.com
To The Members of Fidonet, Zone 1.
In compliance with a directive from the Zone 1 Coordinator, an
election for the position of Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator has
commenced. The Region Echomail Coordinator Council (RECC) was charged
by the Z1C with the task of organizing the election process. In the
process of discharging that endeavor, the RECC was faced with several
tasks, among which included the duties of the Z1EC, selecting an
election coordinator, defining the rules for the election and setting
the time-frame for the election.
The first task (defining the duties of the Z1EC) was accomplished with
input from the Z1 RECC and members of Fidonet, Zone 1. Those duties
are as follows:
***** BEGIN DUTIES *****
At the pleasure of the Z1C, the duties for the Z1EC shall be:
1) Coordination between the Z1 echomail distribution systems
2) Coordination of the RECC and with the Zone 1 RECs.
The ZEC is the chairperson of the RECC. He or she shall bring ideas
to the RECC and moderate the discussion of ideas. He or she shall also
act as a tie breaker in the event of a tie vote. The RECC may overturn
a ZEC proposed action or idea with a 2/3rds vote of the RECC.
If the RECC concludes that the ZEC is not active, ineffective in his
or her job or not taking care his or her responsibilities per this
list; they may take a vote of no-confidence. If the vote of no-
confidence passes with 2/3rds majority, the RECC will refer this issue
to the Z1C for mediation or action as the Z1C sees fit.
The ZEC shall be allowed to take issue with RECs that are not
participating or doing their job, by taking the matter up with the
host RC of the REC's region and the Z1C for mediation or action.
These two actions shall NOT be taken lightly without all due
consideration of possible extenuating circumstances.
3) Coordination with the other ZECs.
4) Central repository of information for the various Z1 distribution
systems.
5) Mediation of Zone 1 echomail issues/disputes.
6) Upper level mediation between Moderators, Fidonet distribution
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systems on related echomail issues.
7) Coordination with the Echolist Keeper.
8) Help in the formation and implementation of a Zone/Fido-wide
Echomail policy. The ZEC shall work in conjunction with the RECC on
this issue, so that the REC's can take this information to their
respective regions for feedback.
9) Term(s) of no more than 2 years. No limit on number of terms
10) Codify, with the RECC, the procedure for future ZEC elections.
All future elections are subject to review by the Z1C.
11) Provide for an interim Z1EC, should anything happen to currently
seated Z1EC to prevent him/her from fulfilling these duties. The
single duty of the interim Z1EC shall be to expedite an election
and the smooth transition to the next Z1EC. The interim ZEC shall
refer to the Z1C for help with problems if the RECC cannot resolve
said issue(s).
***** END OF DUTIES *****
The second task (selecting an election coordinator) was accomplished
with input from the Z1 RECC and members of Fidonet, Zone 1. The
election coordinator selected is Martin Belcke (1:232/10 and also
1:232/16). An assistant to the election coordinator was also
selected. The assistant is Lisa Gronke (1:105/16).
The third task (election rules) was accomplished by the election
coordinator with input from the Z1 RECC and members of Fidonet, Zone
1, by posting draft copies of election rules in the REC's
administrative echo, as well as posting draft copies in the public
election echo Z1_ELECTION. Following discussion, the election rules
were modified as needed until a final draft was presented to the RECC
and the Z1C for approval.
The result of the vote was as follows:
Approved: Z1C, REC10, REC11, REC12, REC14, REC15, REC17, REC18
Against : REC13, REC19
Abstain : NONE
No Vote : REC16
The rules for the Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator election are:
******** BEGIN RULES ********
The following rules are in affect for the Zone 1 Echomail
Coordinator election.
1) NOMINATIONS
Any member of Fidonet Zone 1 may nominate any member of Fidonet Zone 1
for the position of Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator. The nomination may be
made by netmail (direct or routed), may be posted in the Z1_ELECTION
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echo, or may be sent by any other method at the discretion of the
election coordinator. Nominations must be addressed to the election
coordinator and must include the name and node number of the person
making the nomination and the name and node number of the proposed
candidate. Any nomination that does not contain the above information
will be declared invalid. Any nomination received by the election
coordinator via any method, other than posted in the Z1_ELECTION echo,
will be posted in the Z1_ELECTION echo by the election coordinator.
This shall serve as acknowledgment of receipt by the election
coordinator of the nomination.
Once a nomination has been received by the election coordinator, the
proposed candidates name will be added to the list of prospective
candidates. This list will be posted from time to time in the
Z1_ELECTION echo showing the status of the nomination.
Any member of Fidonet Zone 1 may second a nomination for the position
of Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator. The second may be made by netmail
(direct or routed), may be posted in the Z1_ELECTION echo, or may be
sent by any other method at the discretion of the election
coordinator. Seconds must be addressed to the election coordinator
and must include the name and node number of the person making the
second and the name and node number of the proposed candidate. Any
second that does not contain the above information will be declared
invalid. Any nomination received by the election coordinator via any
method, other than posted in the Z1_ELECTION echo, will be posted in
the Z1_ELECTION echo by the election coordinator. This shall serve as
acknowledgment of receipt by the election coordinator of the second.
In the event that the election coordinator receives two nominations
for the same person, the first one received shall be considered the
nomination and any subsequent received shall be considered the second.
Once a nomination, or second, has been received by the election
coordinator, that nomination, or second, cannot be revoked by the
nominator or seconder.
The proposed candidate must acknowledge acceptance of the nomination
by sending a message via netmail (direct or routed), by posting an
acceptance in the Z1_ELECTION echo, or by any other method at the
discretion of the election coordinator. The acceptance must be
received by the election coordinator prior to the beginning of the
campaign period. Any acknowledgment received by the election
coordinator via any method, other than posted in the Z1_ELECTION echo,
will be posted in the Z1_ELECTION echo by the election coordinator.
This shall serve as acknowledgment of receipt by the election
coordinator of the acceptance.
At the conclusion of the nomination period, the election coordinator
shall post a list of all duly nominated, seconded, and accepted
candidates. These shall be the only candidates eligible for election.
The proposed candidate must appear in the Fidonet nodelist as
published prior to the beginning of the nomination period. Allowance
for errors in the nodelist may be made at the discretion of the
election coordinator, but in all cases, a valid Fidonet nodelist must
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be used.
2) CAMPAIGN PERIOD
Following the nomination period, a period shall be allowed for each
candidate to campaign for the position. During this period,
questioning of the candidates is encouraged. Flaming of the
candidates is discouraged and may result in action accordingly by the
moderator of Z1_ELECTION. The campaign period is to be civil. This
includes candidates. Discuss the issues.
3) VOTING PERIOD
Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
eligible voter to cast his/her vote. Votes must be sent via direct
netmail to the election coordinator, or by any other method at the
discretion of the election coordinator. Votes must be sent during the
voting period and must include a keyword/password, name and node of
the person voting (as it appears in the Fidonet nodelist) and the name
of one of the candidates on the election slate. If preferential
balloting is being used, then more than one candidate may be listed in
order of preference. Any vote received that does not contain the
above information will be declared invalid and the ballot will not be
counted. Any vote cast that uses a method not approved will be
declared invalid and the ballot will not be counted.
Any vote received prior to or after the voting period shall be
disallowed. The election coordinator shall acknowledge each vote by
netmail (direct or routed), or by any other method at the discretion
of the election coordinator, with a simple statement that the vote has
been received and recorded.
In the event there are more than two candidates, the voting method
shall be that of preferential balloting.
Any member of Fidonet, Zone 1 is eligible to vote, under the following
criteria. Nodes beginning with the keyword of ZONE, REGION, HOST,
HUB, or DOWN or nodes that are redundant entries are not eligible.
One vote for sysops with more than one node. One vote for nodes with
more than one person listed at that node. Nodes listed as PVT or HOLD
are eligible.
The Fidonet nodelist published prior to the beginning of the voting
period shall be the primary nodelist to determine eligible voters.
Allowance for errors in the nodelist may be made by the election
coordinator, but at all times a valid Fidonet nodelist must be used.
4) TALLYING OF VOTES
Following the voting period, the election coordinator shall tally the
votes, verifying any vote that is questionable by netmail (direct or
routed) or by any other method available, at the discretion of the
election coordinator, until the election coordinator is satisfied that
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all votes have been correctly identified and recorded. The results of
the election shall then be sent to the Zone 1 Coordinator for his
approval. The Zone 1 Coordinator may overturn the election at his
discretion. If the Zone 1 Coordinator does not overturn the election,
the election coordinator shall announce the results of the election in
the Z1_ELECTION echo by posting the keyword/password and vote. At no
time shall the election coordinator divulge the name or node number
directly associated with the keyword/password without the approval of
the Zone 1 Coordinator.
NOTE: For clarification purposes: The posting of the results would
consist of no less than two messages, one containing an alphabetic
listing of keywords/passwords with associated vote and the other
containing a numerical listing (by node number) of those who voted.
The two lists would not be directly associated.
In the event a tie vote occurs, the Zone 1 Coordinator shall break the
tie or may remand the election to a run-off between the candidates who
received the most number of votes.
5) CONTESTING OF VOTES
Following the tallying of the vote, a period shall be allowed for
contesting of the vote. A valid contest must be sent via netmail
(routed or direct) or by any other means available, at the discretion
of the election coordinator. The contest must be sent to the election
coordinator and must state the grounds for contesting the vote. The
election coordinator shall issue a decision pertaining to the contest,
remanding the decision to the Region Echomail Coordinator Council for
action. After the RECC has voted, by clear majority vote of the REC's
who vote, the election coordinator shall remand the action to the Zone
1 Coordinator for final action and shall announce the result of the
contest in the Z1_ELECTION echo.
At the conclusion of the period for contesting, if no valid contest
has been received, the election coordinator shall declare the election
process concluded and remand the results to the Zone 1 Coordinator for
final action.
****** COPYRIGHT NOTICE ******
These rules are copyright (c) 1997 by Martin Belcke. Permission to
use is granted to anyone, as long as the contents are not altered and
this copyright notice is not removed or altered.
******** END OF RULES ********
The fourth task (time-frame for the election) was accomplished by
presenting a suggested time-frame to the RECC and the members of
Fidonet, Zone 1, for approval. After discussion of the suggested
time-frame, the following time-frame was approved:
******* BEGIN TIME-FRAME *******
NOMINATIONS - - - - - - - Dec 8 - Dec 28 (3 weeks)
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LAGTIME - - - - - - - - - Dec 29 - Dec 31 (3 days)
CAMPAIGN - - - - - - - - Jan 1 - Jan 15 (2 weeks)
LAGTIME - - - - - - - - - Jan 16 - Jan 18 (3 days)
VOTING - - - - - - - - - Jan 19 - Feb 8 (2 weeks)
LAGTIME - - - - - - - - - Feb 9 - Feb 11 (3 days)
TALLY - - - - - - - - - - Feb 12 - Feb 15 (3 days)
ANNOUNCE TALLY - - - - - Feb 15
CONTESTING - - - - - - - Feb 15 - Feb 28 (2 weeks)
LAGTIME - - - - - - - - - Feb 28 - Mar 2 (3 days)
ANNOUNCE RESULTS - - - - Mar 3
The LAGTIME periods are to allow for transit delays for messages.
******* END TIME-FRAME *******
The following are the only valid methods for messages directed to the
election coordinator for the Z1EC election being held from December 8,
1997 through March 3, 1998.
NOTE: DIRECT netmail is the only method that guarantees that the
message arrives at its destination the same as sent. Routed netmail
is, at best, taking a chance that the message will not arrive, or may
be altered in transit.
Echomail addressed TO: Martin Belcke posted in Z1_ELECTION Echomail
addressed TO: Election Coordinator posted in Z1_ELECTION NOTE:
Echomail voting is not allowed.
Direct netmail to Martin Belcke 1:232/10
Routed netmail to Martin Belcke 1:232/10
Direct netmail to Election Coordinator 1:232/10
Routed netmail to Election Coordinator 1:232/10
Direct netmail to Martin Belcke 1:232/16
Routed netmail to Martin Belcke 1:232/16
Direct netmail to Election Coordinator 1:232/16
Routed netmail to Election Coordinator 1:232/16
Internet e-mail to mbelcke@ws02.irvbbs.com (preferred)
Internet e-mail to mbelcke@irvbbs.com
Internet e-mail to Martin.Belcke@irvbbs.com
Internet e-mail to election.coordinator@irvbbs.com
Subject line should indicate either NOMINATION, SECOND, ACCEPTANCE,
BALLOT or PROTEST. If you use the above method, it will make it a lot
easier for the election coordinator and would be appreciated.
NOTE: All messages must contain the following information in order to
be considered a valid message:
1) Node number of person sending message, as it appears in the
applicable Fidonet nodelist.
2) Name of person sending message, as it appears in the applicable
Fidonet nodelist.
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3) If a nomination or second, items 1 and 2 and the node number and
name, as it appears in the applicable Fidonet nodelist of the
person being nominated or seconded.
4) If a vote, items 1 and 2 as well as a keyword/password and a valid
candidate name. If preferential balloting is being used, then a
list of candidates in order of preference.
5) If a protest, items 1 and 2 as well as specific details of the
grounds of the protest.
For Nominations:
Anything that even looks close to a message addressed to the election
coordinator that has been posted in the Z1_ELECTION echo would be
considered, as long as the message contains the required information.
I do not plan to try and second guess anyone as to whom they are
referring when making a nomination, nor do I plan to have to look up a
name in the nodelist to determine the node number. If the required
information is not in the nomination, then it is not a valid
nomination and would so be stated, thus allowing the person to make
the nomination again, if within the applicable time-frame.
Following the CONTESTING PERIOD, if no valid contest has been
received, the final outcome of the election process is to be announced
in the Z1_ELECTION echo, and any other echos as necessary, as well as
in the FIDONEWS.
Please turn on the echo Z1_ELECTION so that you may be able to
participate in the election process. All members of Fidonet, Zone 1
are eligible to participate. During the election process, the
moderatorship of the Z1_ELECTION echo will be handled by Lisa Gronke
(1:105/16) as the ELISTed moderator is also the election coordinator.
This announcement is respectfully submitted to you, the members of
Fidonet, Zone 1, and serves as the official announcement of the
election process for Fidonet Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator. Thank you
for your time and look forward to seeing you participate in the
election.
--Martin Belcke--
Election Coordinator, Z1EC election
Fidonet Node 1:232/10
Fidonet Node 1:232/16
primary e-mail mbelcke@ws02.irvbbs.com
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COLUMNS
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FIDONET IN EUROPE
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by Dave Meikle (2:258/69.2 , 2:258/69.69 &
rebeljambo@unforgettable.com)
Nothing much happening apart from five more people joining Astrowars.
Check out Fidonet on the internet featured last week on www.track-
one.co.uk . If you only have internet email access view it by using
www by email here are the instructions :
WORLD-WIDE WEB BY E-MAIL
------------------------
You can retrieve WWW documents by e-mail using
an Agora WWW-mail server.
All you need to know is the Uniform Resource Locator (or URL, that
long ugly string starting with "http:", "gopher:", or "ftp:") which
defines the address of the document, and you can retrieve it by
sending e-mail to one of:
agora@dna.affrc.go.jp (Japan)
agora@kamakura.mss.co.jp (Japan)
agora@info.lanic.utexas.edu (USA)
agora@mx.nsu.nsk.su (Russia ONLY)
agora@www.undp.org (restricted to "developing" countries)
agora@mail.w3.org (out of service)
In the body of your note include one of these lines, replacing "<URL>"
with the actual URL specification.
send <URL>
rsend <return-address> <URL> (override your return address)
This will send you back the document you requested, with a list of all
the documents referenced within, so that you may make further
requests.
To try WWW by e-mail send the following commands to an Agora server :
www
send http://www.w3.org
You'll receive in due course the Agora help file and the "WWW Welcome
Page" which will include references to other Web documents you'll want
to explore.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER WWW mail servers...
Address Syntax Comments
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webmail@www.ucc.ie GO <URL> Same as webmail@curia.ucc.ie
w3mail@.gmd.de GET <URL> Send HELP command for more info
Note: The WWW-mail servers are sometimes unavailable for days (or
weeks) at a time without explanation. If you get an error or no
reply, please retry in a day or so.
That's all folks!
Dave
P.S. Any submissions send them to rebeljambo@unforgettable.com or
europe@2:258/69.2
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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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*Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo
Emanuel Edwards
1:348/963
emanuel@pangea.ca
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\ // / | |___ \ // / <WCW>
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\ \ \/ /\ \/ /_____ <WWF>
\ \ / \ / ____/
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Hello All Sysops & Co_Sysops:
What is the biggest problem on fidonet these days? Most Sysops are
leaving fidonet and going on the internet. Well if you want to get
more users on your BBS I suggest you request the WRESTLING_CHAT on
your BBS.
The WRESTLING_CHAT provide all the latest news, rumors, Scoops and
Upcoming events in the Wrestling world. Plus the users can enjoy
chatting about the sport with other great wrestling fans. The
WRESTLING_CHAT provide a great atmosphere for the users on your BBS.
If you need additional information please contact me either on my
fidonet or internet address. Please have a Merry Christmas and a
Happy New Year.
Thank you
Emanuel Fidonet 1:348/963
Internet emanuel@pangea.ca
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NOTICES
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Future History
10 Dec 1997
Nobel Day, Sweden.
12 Jan 1998
HAL 9000 is one year old today.
30 Apr 1998
Queens Day, Holland.
17 May 1998
Independence Day, Norway.
22 May 1998
Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.
14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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--- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
By Christopher Baker on Tue Dec 02 19:11:36 1997
FIDONEWS 14-49 Page 14 8 Dec 1997
From: C. Ingersoll @ 1:2623/71
To: Editor @ 1:1/23
Date: 01 Dec 97 02:14:32
Subj: Fidonet via Internet Hubs
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
1:101/204 | Patrick Rosenheim | TX | 33.6 | $25yr.
1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton | FTP,VMoT,TX,F2I| 64k | $20mo.
1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP,TX | T1 | $5/$20
1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
1:2222/1 | Ed Georgen | FTP,TX,VMoT,UUE| T1 | $3/$10
1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,TX | T1 | unkn
1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP | ??? | $1mo.
1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | TX | 33.6 | n/c
1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
1:2651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,TX | ??? | unkn
1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,TX | T1 | $10mo.
1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | TX,UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP | T1 | $25mo.
2:252/358 | Sean Rima | VMoT | T1 | n/c
2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | TX, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | TX | 64k | unkn
2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c
3:774/950 | Craig Box | UUE, F2I | 28.8 | n/c
--
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* F2I = Fido2Int (W95)
* UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers
* TX = TransX (Proprietary uuencode<->email packet transfer
software)
compiled by Cindy Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978,
fbn@cyberEnet.net Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP,
R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
-
Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71)
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=================================================================
FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================
Latest Greatest Software Versions
by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264
New entry: Tornado, a BBS from Konstantin Klyagin. Welcome to the
list... ;-)
-=- Snip -=-
Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column
OS Platform :
Software package name :
Version :
Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? :
Author / Support staff contact name :
Author / Support staff contact node :
Magic name (at the above-listed node) :
Please include a sentence describing what the package does.
Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264
-=- Snip -=-
MS-DOS:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP
ALLFIX 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX
Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO
FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD
FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES
FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD
FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO
GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED
GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
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Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL
InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386
InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO
InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO
InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB
IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET
JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV
Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY
Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386
JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H
JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G
MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL
Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE
McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL
MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP
Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP
Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD
NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR
Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS
O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT
PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP
QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR
RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA
Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
Silver Xpress
Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES
Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP
Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH
StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK
StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL
Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD
Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO
TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO
TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP
TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS
TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG
TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV
WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS
xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS
OS/2:
FIDONEWS 14-49 Page 17 8 Dec 1997
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ALLFIX/2 5.00 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST
FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET
FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP
Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF
PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Tornado 1.50g B F Konst Klyagin 2:461/22 TORNADO2
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2
Windows (16-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW
Windows (32-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I
Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN
Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW
PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT
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WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP
WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP
Unix:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL
ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX
ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Amiga:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL
CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK
DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO
GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPDOOR
TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS
Atari:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY
BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC
JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA
Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
be listed by the first match.
Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source
Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
=================================================================
This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
of this appearance.
============
FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
HTML FNews http://www.fidonews.org
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm
Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html
============
Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm
Region 14: [disappeared?]
Region 15: [disappeared?]
Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm
Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/
Region 18: http://www.citicom.com/fido.html
Region 19: http://www.compconn.net
============
Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ZEC2: http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)
Region 25:
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
============
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
============
Zone 4: (not yet listed)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
============
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
Editor: Christopher Baker
Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees
"FidoNews Editor"
FidoNet 1:1/23
BBS 1-904-409-7040, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)
more addresses:
Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, cbaker84@digital.net
cbaker84@fidonews.org
cbaker84@aol.com
cbaker84@msn.com
(Postal Service mailing address)
FidoNews Editor
P.O. Box 471
Edgewater, FL 32132-0471
U.S.A.
voice: 1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
[1800-0100 UTC/GMT]
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
FidoNews.
Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
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and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
the Editor.
=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=
OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
FIDONEWS 14-49 Page 23 8 Dec 1997
back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a
particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
current year [7], i.e., FNWSAUG7.ZIP for all the Issues from Aug 97.
Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
size from 48K to 1.4M.
INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:
http://www.fidonews.org
http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/
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respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
www.fidonews.org.
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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:
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STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:
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Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 11 Megs.
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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new
homepage on the World Wide Web at:
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There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email
link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.
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from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.
"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
and are used with permission.
"Disagreement is actually necessary,
or we'd all have to get in fights
or something to amuse ourselves
and create the requisite chaos."
-Tom Jennings
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