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FidoNews · Vol 14, No 47 · 24 November 1997

     F I D O N E W S --       Volume 14, Number 47          24 November 1997
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     |  The newsletter of the     |   ISSN 1198-4589 Published by:          |
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     |       | (*) |  \   ))      |        Christopher Baker  1:18/14       |
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       HAPPY THANKSGIVING and assorted HARVEST FESTIVALS!


                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
        Gobble, gobble!  ..........................................  1
     2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  ....................................  2
        FTSC Administrator Vote results  ..........................  2
        How far from Ontario to Malaysia?  ........................  3
        Needs an email link at Fordham  ...........................  4
        Echomail defamation?  .....................................  4
        Ex-ZEC2 confirms leaving FidoNet  .........................  5
     3. ARTICLES  .................................................  7
        Newly-available Echoes  ...................................  7
     4. NET HUMOR  ................................................  8
        Goofing with Excel?  ......................................  8
     5. COMIX IN ASCII  ...........................................  9
        Happy Thanksgiving!  ......................................  9
     6. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT  ........................ 11
        Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo  ....................... 11
     7. NOTICES  .................................................. 12
        Future History  ........................................... 12
     8. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................................. 13
        Latest Greatest Software Versions  ........................ 13
     9. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY  ...................................... 17
        FidoNews PGP public-key listing  .......................... 17
     10. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 18
     11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 20
     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 1                   24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                                 EDITORIAL
     =================================================================

     Here in the U.S.A., it's about to be Thanksgiving Day [Thursday, 27
     Nov] when we get together with family and food to celebrate the fact
     we're still alive and eating. [snicker]

     Turkeys are the primary victims of our carnivorous tendencies but
     it varies from place to place and sub-culture to sub-culture. Hams,
     pork roasts, beef roasts, vegetarian fare, and all sorts of other
     comestibles made only once or twice a year can come to the fore. At my
     house, there'll be plenty of the top two [turkey & ham] along with
     tons of accouterment and then the major dessert table covered with
     pies of every description.

     In FidoNet, we can only eat our words while looking at ASCII pictures
     of traditional symbols.

     Following in the footsteps of last week's cyberHugs, let's give thanks
     to everyone who works, without reward, to make FidoNet function
     every day.

     Thanks, to ALL Coordinators. Thanks, to all mail hubs. Thanks, to all
     file movers. Thanks, to all the software authors. Thanks, to all
     HelpNodes. Thanks, to ALL Sysops who make this the first and largest
     amateur electronic communication network in the world.

     Cooperation...What a concept!

     C.B.

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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 2                   24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                           LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
     =================================================================

     --- Following message extracted from FTSC_PUBLIC @ 1:18/14 ---
         By Christopher Baker on Sun Nov 23 20:09:02 1997

     From: Ken Tuley
     To: all
     Date: 22 Nov 97  20:40:00
     Subj: FTSC Administrator election results

     Here are the results of the voting for FTSC Administrator:

     Craig Box        3 (20%)
     Odinn Sorensen  12 (80%)
     Abstentions      1

     Odinn Sorensen is declared the winner.

     Passwords voting for Craig Box (3:774/950):
         BLUE5491
         urbanhymn
         FIDOFREEDOM

     Passwords voting for Odinn Sorensen (2:2613/477):
         DuGnoU
         DNISNOLONGERTHETRUECHAIRPERSON
         56_down_64_to_go
         moonlightshadow
         ENTOVERSE
         grade
         BOROMIR
         fnord
         LovelyEva
         ALPHA
         amscray
         SlaveToTheGrind

     Passwords voting to abstain:
         Goran_Eriksson

     Although I was originally advised by Adrian Walker when I agreed to
     accept and count the votes that posting the list of voters would not
     be necessary, I will post that list if I am requested to do so by any
     member of the committee.

     -=ken=-

     ---
      * Origin: SCAM (1:374/98)

      -30-

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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 3                   24 Nov 1997


     --- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:18/14 ---
         By Christopher Baker on Sun Nov 23 20:08:34 1997

     From: Rich Veraa
     To: Christopher Baker
     Date: 20 Nov 97  08:29:35
     Subj: Unsolved Mysteries

     Host,163,Ottawa_163,Ottawa_ON,Christine_Labonte,1-613-742-
     7612,9600,XA,CM,V42b, V32b
     ,99,Cause_Cheap_Is_How_I_Feel,Ottawa_ON,Dave_Beach,1-819-685-
     1610,9600,CM,XA, V32b,V42b,V34,VFC,UNEC
     Hub,100,Acoustic_Plains,Ottawa_ON,Steve_Fredette,1-613-742-
     7612,9600,CM,XA,V32b,V42b
     ,105,Club_Las_Velas,Ottawa_ON,Dave_Fleming,1-613-728-
     7050,9600,CM,XA,H16,V34, VFC,V32b,V42b,V32T
     ,107,Reptile_Ranch,Perth_ON,Terry_O'Hearn,1-613-264-
     8513,9600,XA,CM,H16,V32b, V32t,V34,V42b,VFC
     Pvt,108,Mau's_Hole,Ottawa_ON,Allan_Mau,-Unpublished-,2400,
     ,109,Smurfs_In_Rage_BBS,Ottawa_ON,Mike_Militia,1-613-744-
     4983,9600,CM,XA,V32B, V42b,MNP
     ,111,The_Apartment_Size_BBS,Ottawa_ON,Deryl_Charlebois,1-613-820-
     4270,9600,CM, XA,V32B,V42,V34
     ,113,Murphys_Law,Gatineau_PQ,Jim_Murphy,1-819-669-
     2392,9600,CM,XX,V32b,V42b
     ,114,Myles'_Games_Extraviganza,Ottawa_On,Myles_Bunbury,1-613-234-
     0975,9600,XA, CM,V32B,V42B
     ,115,Glow_In_The_Dark,Ottawa_ON,Gerry_Dowe,1-613-820-
     6020,9600,CM,XA,V32B,V42B, V34,VFC,V32T
     ,117,The_Offspring_BBS,Orleans_ON,Perry_Smith,1-613-834-
     8587,9600,CM,XR,V34, V32b,V42b
     ,118,Kings_Knights,Ottawa_ON,Perry_Davis,1-613-728-
     4122,9600,XA,CM,V34,VFC, V32b,V42b
     ,119,Liar's_Club,Cumberland_ON,Gerry_Goulet,1-613-833-
     0672,9600,XA,CM,H16,VFC, V34,V32T,V32b,V42b
     ,120,The_Land_of_ID,Glocester_ON,Ian_Porter,1-613-731-
     1544,9600,CM,XA,V32b,V42b ,121,A.C.E.,Vanier_ON,Jean_Emmell,1-613-741-
     0630,9600,XA,CM,VFC,V34,V32b,V42b
     ,122,Twisted_Nastiness,Ottawa_ON,Jim_Sorofty,1-613-823-
     6670,9600,CM,XA,V32b, V42b
     ,125,Beatitudes,Gloucester_ON,Gary_Cassidy,1-613-834-
     2054,9600,XA,CM,V32b,V34, V42b
     ,126,C.U.B.E.,Ottawa_ON,Glenn_Verrall,1-613-728-
     8136,9600,XA,CM,V32b,V42b ,127,Pig_Pen,Nepean_ON,Frank_Sexton,1-613-
     723-9591,9600,XA,CM,V32b,V42b
     ,133,872's_Home_BBS,Kanata_ON,Rob_St._Denis,1-613-831-
     3390,9600,CM,XA,V32B,V42B
     ,134,Valley_of_Wind,Kuala_Lumpur_MALAYSIA,Maulvi_Bakar,60-3-712-
     5570,9600,V34, V32b,V42b,ZYX,MNP,CM,XA
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     ,136,No_Files,Ottawa_ON,Fred_Ennis,1-613-723-5712,9600,XX,CM,V32b,V42b

     Does anyone know howcome a net in Ontario lists a node in Malasia?

            Cheers,
                Rich
     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 4                   24 Nov 1997


     http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/
      * Origin:    Birdsoft - North Miami       (1:135/907)

      -30-

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     Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:00:33 -0500
     From: "Nicholas D. Lombardi, S.J." <lombardi@murray.fordham.edu>
     To: cbaker84@digital.net
     Subject: Mailed from FidoNews homepage

     Hi,
      My name is Nick Lombardi and I've been running a Fidonet board here
     in NYC since the mid-80's.  I've haven't been keeping up with what's
     been reported in Fidonet for a couple of years almost - but I'd like
     to know how I can find a gateway to connect my board to the internet
     for a simple EMAIL connection.  Is there any gateway left around?
     Ours in this area went down a while ago.

      My Email address is:  lombardi@murray.fordham.edu
      I'm a Jesuit priest teaching Computer Science here at Fordham
     University.  Thanks for any leads you can give me.

      -30-

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     [high ASCII removed without regard to translation. Ed.]

     [I refer this guy's request for info to you. Ed.]

     From: "Piotr Kosibowicz" <kosi333@polbox.com>
     To: <cbaker84@digital.net>
     Subject: How to defend against defaming in a public conference?
     Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:01:04 +0100

     Dear Chris

     I am writing for the advice how to force a fidouser to send an apology
     note to a Polish conference BUY_SELL.POL.

     Maksymilian Wrzesinski (2:480/80)  named me a thief in this conference
     just because he is ignorant  about a trial subscriptions of Business
     Central Europe and European Voice and some computer magazines about
     which I spread a word in Net under the subject: "free computer
     magazines"

     I need to know this before I will take a legal action in Polish court.

     Below is his letter in extenso and the mentioned offending word i
     underlined.

     Please send advice, comments or the way how he could turn back this
     offence because the court action could be damaging for him due to huge
     costs.
     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 5                   24 Nov 1997


     Regards, Piotr Kosibowicz

     kosi@friko.onet.pl
     kosi@pipeta.chemia.pk.edu.pl
     kosi333@polbox.com
     tel: +48 012 4155974  Propaganda, POB 12, Kr. 42, PL
     http://www.webspawner.com/users/propaga/   Fax:  +49-2561-91316-06849
     Czy Chrystus siedzacy na osle, jest czescia osla, czy tez osiol
     czescia Chrystusa?


     - BUY_SELL.POL (2:486/10.26) ------------------------------------
     BUY_SELL.POL
      Msg  : #10580 [1612] +10609                Rcv
      From : Maksymilian Wrzesinski     2:480/80        16 Nov 97 13:38:33
      To   : Piotr Kosibowicz                           21 Nov 97 10:09:17
      Subj : Re: Darmowe Pisma Komputerowe
     -1298-----------------------------------------------------------------
      MG>> + Origin: Brakuje mi kogos takiego jak ja... (2:480/80.101)
      PK>  nieycz sobie jakichkolwiek kontaktw z tob - bo ju kilka razy
      PK> dales si pozna jako skoczony idiota, a potem jeszcze mnie
      PK> przpraszae. Nie sigasz mi do pit dupku i id lepiej obraaj a
      PK> potem przepraszaj sobie rwne Miernoty.

         i kto to mowi? kosibowitz - znany kretacz i kombinator. czyli
     mowiac krotko zlodziej.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^
         twoje listy z newsgroup inetowych sa po prostu zenujace. poziom
     lamerii i bezprecedensowego cwaniactwa bija na glowe najwiekszych
     kretynow.

     --
         -- [mcson] -- maksymilian maria wrzesinski -- terrorgarden inc. --
     -- +48-22-648-55-88 -- http://terrorgarden.waw.pl -- from ashes to
     ashes --

     --- TeRRoRGaRDeN Inc.
      * Origin:  ,, ...from ashes to ashes... '' (2:480/80)

      -30-

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     From: Steve Woodmore <steve@proteus.demon.co.uk>
     To: Christopher Baker <cbaker84@digital.net>
     Subject: Re: have your retired again?
     Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:38:52 GMT
     Organization: The Worlds Fastest Talker
     Reply-To: Steve@proteus.demon.co.uk
     References: <2.2.32.19971117000803.007208e4@digital.net>

     On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:08:03 -0500, you wrote:


     CB>again for the last time? [grin]

     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 6                   24 Nov 1997


     No this time its for good (check the nodelist)

     CB>what pushed you over the edge this time?

     The same old thing, every time you try and achieve something, there
     are always people being destructive and disruptive.

     I would like fido to have moved forward into the next millennium,
     however the "fidodinosaurs" don't seem to want it.

     Its a pity, but there you go what can i do?, i tried, i failed :(,
     time to cut my losses and move onto more challenging and productive
     projects, and yes you have my permission to print this in fidonews

     Come and visit the worlds fastest talker
     If you thought you could talk fast, then you are wrong
     As featured in the
     1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995,1996,1997 Guinness Book of
     WORLD records
     Check it out
     http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/talk.htm

      -30-

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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 7                   24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                                 ARTICLES
     =================================================================

     Newly-available Echoes
     Damian Walker, 2:2502/666

     The following echoes are now available to international readers via
     the internet:

         STRATEGY    For strategy and war games,
         ASTROWAR_UK The international support echo for the Astrowar game,
         INFOMAIL    The Infomail support echo

     You can now get these echoes from Sy Hughes at Gold Flash BBS,
     2:254/510, using Fido2Int.  Details about all of these echoes are
     available in the ELIST and the zone 2 echolist.  Please do join us!

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 8                   24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                                 NET HUMOR
     =================================================================

     Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:06:49 -0500
     To: cbaker84@digital.net
     From: Doug Paul <topgun@phonetech.com>
     Subject: Anyone ever try this?

     >Return-Path: val@tnn.net
     >From: "Val Valek" <val@tnn.net>

     1.  Open Excel for Windows 95 with a blank worksheet.
     2.  Scroll down to row 95.
     3.  Click on the number 95 to select the whole row.
     4.  Press Tab once to move to column B.
     5.  Select Help/About.
     6.  Hold down Ctrl+Alt+Shift and click on the Tech Support button.
     7.  A window labeled Hall of Tortured Souls appears.  It is a 3-D
         texture-mapped environment reminiscent of Doom/DukeNukeEm/etc.
     8.  Directly ahead of you are stairs with a scrolling cast list. Go up
         and take a look around.  Use the cursor keys to move, and 'd' or
         'c' to look up or down.
     9.  But there's more!  Go back down the stairs and type "excelkfa"
         (without the quotes).
     10.  The wall disappears [it's the rear wall], and there's a winding
          path to navigate to see pictures.

     Tread carefully!
     ===========================================
     Doug Paul                        topgun@phonetech.com
     Rockledge, Florida
     http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/hills/6994
     ===========================================
     I am Dyslexic of Borg...prepare to have your ass laminated!
     ===========================================
     Pursuant to US Code Title 47, Ch 5, Subch 2, _227,
     unsolicited commercial Email received at this address
     is subject to a US $500 download and archival fee.
     By Emailing such, you agree to these terms.
     ===========================================


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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 9                   24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                              COMIX IN ASCII
     =================================================================

     [from TurkeyDays past...one raw, one cooked. [grin] Ed.]

     Date: 24 Nov 94  14:44:06
     From: odin@gate.net
       To: All
     Subj: Happy Thanksgiving!
     ______________________________________________________________________
     Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:44:06 -0500 (EST)
     From: PNEWS <odin@gate.net>

     [*********PNEWS CONFERENCES************]

     From: Ribaud.@f360.n135.z1.fidonet.org


                                   ,+*^^*+___+++_
                             ,*^^^^              )
                          _+*                     ^**+_
                        +^       _ _++*+_+++_,         )
            _+^^*+_    (     ,+*^ ^          \+_        )
           {       )  (    ,(    ,_+--+--,      ^)      ^\
          { (@)    } f   ,(  ,+-^ __*_*_  ^^\_   ^\       )
         {:;-/    (_+*-+^^^^^+*+*<_ _++_)_    )    )      /
        ( /  (    (        ,___    ^*+_+* )   <    <      \
         U _/     )    *--<  ) ^\-----++__)   )    )       )
          (      )  _(^)^^))  )  )\^^^^^))^*+/    /       /
        (      /  (_))_^)) )  )  ))^^^^^))^^^)__/     +^^
       (     ,/    (^))^))  )  ) ))^^^^^^^))^^)       _)
        *+__+*       (_))^)  ) ) ))^^^^^^))^^^^^)____*^
        \             \_)^)_)) ))^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^)
         (_             ^\__^^^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^^^^)
           ^\___            ^\__^^^^^^))^^^^^^^^)\\
                ^^^^^\uuu/^^\uuu/^^^^\^\^\^\^\^\^\^\
                   ___) >____) >___   ^\_\_\_\_\_\_\)
                  ^^^//\\_^^//\\_^       ^(\_\_\_\)
                    ^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^

     HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

     Ribaud

     ---
       Origin: Usenet: (1:343/70)

     ***

     Date: 23 Nov 95  18:57:07
     From: Tom Mckeever
       To: All
     Subj: 'Appy 'Oliday!
     ______________________________________________________________________

     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 10                  24 Nov 1997


     Greetings, All!!

                                                   __    __
                                _  _  _  _        (  )  (  )
                           _ -              - _   / /  / /
                        _-                      / _ /   /
                      /           v               /   /
                    /       v                _ /    /   \
                   |            v          /       |      \
                   |_                     |       /         \
                  /   \   _ _         _    \_ _ /   _ _       \  _ _
               |     | /   \ _ _  /   \ /   \_ _/    \_ _   //    \
               \ _ / |__ _/    \/     |\                \_/|     / ---
         =========================================================---
             \=====================================================/
                        H A P P Y   T H A N K S G I V I N G

                        From the MCKEEVER Family!!!!


     Take care!!

     Tom..
     (tom.mckeever@mit.com)
     (ksc_admin@ids.net)
     SPACECON/BRAVEHEART BBS (1:374/22)
     (407) 459-0969 452-8969 453-5393 (1200-28800 Baud)
     (Home of INFOLOG, OTVIEW, & POST_POLIO and CARDIAC Echoes!!)

     Origin: SPACECON Medical/Disabilities/Law Enforcement BBS!(1:374/22.0)

      -30-

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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 11                  24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                     ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
     =================================================================


     Emanuel Edwards
     1:348/963
     emanuel@pangea.ca

                   IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL SYSOPS!!!!!!

     Hello all Sysops and Co_Sysops:

     If you want to get lots of User on your BBS I suggest you request the
     WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS:

     On the wrestling_chat you can get all the Latest News, great wrestling
     scoops and great wrestling advertisement.  Plus there are professional
     wrestlers reading the messages and posting messages on the echo. The
     echo tag is called WRESTLING_CHAT.

     If and when you request the echo on your bbs please send a test
     message to the moderator Emanuel Edwards.  See you all sysops and
     co_sysops on fidonet  WRESTLING_CHAT

     You can also visit my wrestling news bulletin homepage at
     http://www.pangea.ca/~emanuel/latest.html

     Regards

     Emanuel   Moderator
     Barry Laws Jr   Co_Moderator

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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 12                  24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================

                                Future History

      1 Dec 1997
        World AIDS Day.

     10 Dec 1997
        Nobel Day, Sweden.

     12 Jan 1998
        HAL 9000 is one year old today.

     30 Apr 1998
        Queens Day, Holland.

     22 May 1998
        Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

     14 Sep 1998
        Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].

     22 Sep 1998
        First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.

      1 Dec 1998
        Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
        Tom Jennings.

     24 Jul 1999
        XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

     31 Dec 1999
        Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

      1 Jan 2000
        The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

      1 Jun 2000
        EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

     15 Sep 2000
        Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

      1 Jan 2001
        This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

     -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
        Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 13                  24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                         FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================

     [from 1446]

     Latest Greatest Software Versions
     by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264

     Hmm. Not much to say.

     -=- Snip -=-

     Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

     OS Platform                             :
     Software package name                   :
     Version                                 :
     Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
     Freeware / Shareware / Commercial?      :
     Author / Support staff contact name     :
     Author / Support staff contact node     :
     Magic name (at the above-listed node)   :

     Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

     Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

     -=- Snip -=-

     MS-DOS:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Act-Up         4.6      G D Chris Gunn        1:15/55     ACT-UP
     ALLFIX         4.40     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   ALLFIX
     Announcer      1.11     O S Peter Karlsson    2:206/221   ANNOUNCE
     BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
     Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOS_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_DOS
     CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
     CheckPnt       1.0a     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     CHECKPNT
     FastEcho       1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FASTECHO
     FastEcho/16    1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FEX
     FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTD
     FidoBBS (tm)   12u      B S Ray Brown         1:1/117     FILES
     FrontDoor      2.12     M S JoHo              2:201/330   FD
     FrontDoor      2.20c    M C JoHo              2:201/330   FDINFO
     GEcho          1.00     T S Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GEcho/Plus     1.11     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
     GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GED
     GoldED/386     2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEX
     GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
     GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 14                  24 Nov 1997


     Imail          1.75     T S Michael McCabe    1:1/121     IMAIL
     ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
     InfoMail/86    1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFOMAIL
     InfoMail/386   1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFO386
     InterEcho      1.19     T C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IEDEMO
     InterMail      2.29k    M C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IMDEMO
     InterPCB       1.52     O S Peter Stewart     1:369/35    INTERPCB
     IPNet          1.11     O S Michele Stewart   1:369/21    IPNET
     JD's CBV       1.4      O S John Dailey       1:363/277   CBV
     Jelly-Bean     1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY
     Jelly-Bean/386 1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY386
     JMail-Hudson   2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-H
     JMail-Goldbase 2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-G
     MakePl         1.9      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MAKEPL
     Marena         1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MARENA
     Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAX
     Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUE
     McMail         1.0      M S Michael McCabe    1:1/148     MCMAIL
     MDNDP          1.18     N S Bill Doyle        1:388/7     MDNDP
     Msged          4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41D.ZIP
     Msged/386      4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41X.ZIP
     NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFD
     NorthStar      3.31.29  B S A&B Darin         1:285/82    NSTAR
     Opus CBCS      1.79     B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14    OPUS
     O/T-Track      2.66     O S Peter Hampf       2:241/1090  OT
     PcMerge        2.8      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
     PlatinumXpress 1.3      M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PX13TD.ZIP
     QuickBBS       2.81     B S Ben Schollnick    1:2613/477  QUICKBBS
     RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR
     RemoteAccess   2.50     B S Mark Lewis        1:3634/12   RA
     Searchlight    4.5      B S Paul Casey        1:343/117   DEMO450.ZIP
     Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
     Silver Xpress
       Door         5.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   FILES
       Reader       4.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   SXR44.ZIP
     Spitfire       3.51     B S Mike Weaver       1:3670/3    SPITFIRE
     Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISH
     StealTag UK    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_UK
     StealTag NL    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_NL
     T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL
     Telegard       3.02     B F Tim Strike        1:259/423   TELEGARD
     Terminate      5.00     O S Bo Bendtsen       2:254/261   TERMINATE
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
     TosScan        1.01     T C JoHo              2:201/330   TSINFO
     TransNet       1.00     G S Marc S. Ressl     4:904/72    TN100ALL.ZIP
     TriBBS         11.0     B S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIBBS
     TriDog         11.0     T F Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIDOG
     TriToss        11.0     T S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRITOSS
     WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
     WWIV           4.24a    B S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIV
     WWIVTOSS       1.36     T S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIVTOSS
     xMail          2.00     T S Thorsten Franke   2:2448/53   XMAIL
     XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XRDOS

     OS/2:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 15                  24 Nov 1997


     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     ALLFIX/2       1.10     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   AFIXOS2
     BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
     Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BOS2_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_OS2
     CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
     FastEcho       1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FE2
     FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLST
     FleetStreet    1.21     O S Michael Hohner    2:2490/2520 FLEET
     FP-OS/2        97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow        323/107     FPOS2
     GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
     GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
     GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
     GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
     ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
     Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXP
     Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUEP
     Msged/2        4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41O.ZIP
     NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEF
     PcMerge        2.3      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
     RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR2
     Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISHP
     T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL2
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
     WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
     XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XROS2

     Windows (16-bit apps):
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
     FrontDoor APX  1.12     P S Mats Wallin       2:201/329   FDAPXW

     Windows (32-bit apps):
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Argus 95/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    A9I
     Argus NT/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    ANI
     BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
     Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BW32_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_W32
     CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
     FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTW
     GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
     GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
     Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXN
     Msged/NT       4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41W.ZIP
     NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFW
     PlatinumXpress 2.00     M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PXW-INFO
     Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
     T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAILNT
     WinFOSSIL/95   1.12 r4  F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   WNFOSSIL.ZIP
     WinFOSSIL/NT   1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   NTFOSSIL.ZIP
     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 16                  24 Nov 1997


     Unix:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     ifmail         2.12     M G Eugene Crosser    2:293/2219  IFMAIL
     ifmail-tx      ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX
     ifmail-tx.rpm  ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX.RPM
     Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK

     Amiga:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     CrashMail      1.23     T X Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHMAIL
     CrashTick      1.1      O F Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHTICK
     DLG Pro BBOS   1.15     B C Holly Sullivan    1:202/720   DLGDEMO
     GMS            1.1.85   M S Mirko Viviani     2:331/213   GMS
     Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
     TrapDoor       1.86.b2  M S Maximilian Hantsch
                                                   2:310/6     TRAPDOOR
     TrapToss       1.50     T S Rene Hexel        2:310/6     TRAPTOSS

     Atari:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     ApplyList      1.00     N F Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
     BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2  M F Bill Scull        1:363/112   BINKLEY
     BTNC           2.00     N G Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 BTNC
     JetMail        0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker     2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
     Semper         0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten      2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

     Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
               C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
               be listed by the first match.

     Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
           X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

     Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 17                  24 Nov 1997


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     File-request FNEWSKEY from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] or download it from the
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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 18                  24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

     This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
     of this appearance.

     ============

     FidoNet:

       Homepage     http://www.fidonet.org
       FidoNews     http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
       HTML FNews   http://www.fidonews.org
       WWW sources  http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
       FTSC page    http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm
       Echomail     http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
       WebRing      http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html

     ============

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

       Region 13:  http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

       Region 14:  [disappeared?]

       Region 15:  [disappeared?]

       Region 16:  http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

       Region 17:  http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
           REC17:  http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/

       Region 18:  http://www.citicom.com/fido.html

       Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net

     ============

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

     ZEC2:         http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
     Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

       Region 25:
                   http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254

     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 19                  24 Nov 1997


       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (in French)

       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (in Swiss)

       Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (in Spanish)
           REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

       Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

     ============

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     ============

     Zone 4:       (not yet listed)

       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

     ============

     Zone 5:       http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

     ============

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

     ============

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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 20                  24 Nov 1997


     =================================================================
                           FIDONEWS INFORMATION
     =================================================================

     ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

     Editor: Christopher Baker

     Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 21                  24 Nov 1997


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     FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 22                  24 Nov 1997


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     trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
     and are used with permission.

             "Disagreement is actually necessary,
              or we'd all have to get in fights
              or something to amuse ourselves
              and create the requisite chaos."
                                -Tom Jennings

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